Rogue IFR

Roger Long wrote:

What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?

The real problem is when ATC can't see him at all. Then you'd better pray he
doesn't cross paths with someone on an IFR flight plan.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

"Roger Long" om wrote in
message ...
Yikes! What are they teaching student pilots these days? I've asked here
before and seem to find myself asking myself that question a lot. You
can'
t teach common sense [...]

You said it yourself.

You can teach a person to fly, but you can't take a person with no common
sense and terrible judgment and fix those problems.

What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what they know
is solid IMC?

They have no way of knowing one way to the other what the weather is. If
they see a 1200 target, they will generally announce that target to flights
under their control or receiving VFR traffic advisories. If a pilot
requests it, ATC can provide vectors to avoid the traffic.

Pete

Student pilots are still taught cloud clearance requirements and why.
Apparently your friend chooses to forget what he was taught.

"Roger Long" om wrote in message
He said with a completely straight face that he's thinking of getting an
instrument rating because he "flies in IMC a lot." He does OK but would
like to be able to ask ATC where the other planes are and fly into towered
airports.

something that happenened to me a while back: flying in solid IMC with
an instructor (one of these really cool CFI who aren't afraid
of actual IMC...) when ATC told us to watch out for VFR traffic a couple of
miles away on our twelve oclock... we told ATC that, well, we were
in actual (neat layer, there was no way the other guy was just outside
the clouds). Gave us one of these funny sensation in our stomach to think
about it...

--Sylvain

Imagine flying an ILS approach in IMC (low vis with heavy rain) when, at 800 ft
the tower says "traffic 12 o'clock less than a mile squawking VFR". It would
have been nice to confront that fellow to find out why he tought it was a good
idea to endanger many lives.
I don't understand how some could support flying rogue IFR without realizing
the hazard they are creating for the masses who follow the rules.

"Roger Long":
What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what:
they know is solid IMC?

Nothing. They don't *know* it's IMC where the VFR target is on the screen.

The only time I've ever heard an ATC comment about something like this was
west of Houston one day. A pilot reported climbing through a solid cloud
deck at the same time another pilot was reporting "jumpers away" from his
meat bomb hauler nearby. The controller said something like "I don't know
who it is for sure, but somebody's fibbing."
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Why would a "meat bomb" flight be announcing on an Approach frequency?
That's usually done on CTAF isn't it? And when did it become standard
procedure to let ATC know, on an IFR flight plan, that while you are
climbing it's, oh btw, solid IMC?


"Dan Luke" c172rgATbellsouthDOTnet wrote in message
...
"Roger Long":
What does ATC do when they see a 1200 target boring through what:
they know is solid IMC?

Nothing. They don't *know* it's IMC where the VFR target is on the screen.

The only time I've ever heard an ATC comment about something like this was
west of Houston one day. A pilot reported climbing through a solid cloud
deck at the same time another pilot was reporting "jumpers away" from his
meat bomb hauler nearby. The controller said something like "I don't know
who it is for sure, but somebody's fibbing."
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Kobra" wrote:
That's usually done on CTAF isn't it?

Jumper planes use VFR traffic advisories a lot when they're near a
radar terminal area . I hear them nearly every weekend over Trent Lott
airport SW of Mobile.

And when did it become standard
procedure to let ATC know, on an IFR flight plan, that while
you are climbing it's, oh btw, solid IMC?

Did I say it was? What's your point?
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Why would a "meat bomb" flight be announcing on an Approach frequency?

When you let loose meat bombs, you have to notify the controlling agency of the
airspace you are in, usually approach or Center. They usually like to hear a a
one minute call and also a jumpers away call.

-John
Former Skydiver Driver or Elevator.

OT, I know...I wasn't contesting Dan's story, I was very confused though
reading the comment because in my short flying experience I have never heard
a skydiving call on approach, center or in a radar terminal area (which
comprises about 80% of my radio listening time). I do hear them *very*
regularly on CTAF. I humbly stand corrected.

Kobra





"Ditch" wrote in message
...
Why would a "meat bomb" flight be announcing on an Approach frequency?

When you let loose meat bombs, you have to notify the controlling agency
of the
airspace you are in, usually approach or Center. They usually like to hear
a a
one minute call and also a jumpers away call.

-John
Former Skydiver Driver or Elevator.