Criminal Prosecution for TFR Bust?

"Tom Hyslip" wrote in message
m...
They all shout about others, and repeat rumors, with no evidence.

Secret lists, secret proceedings - no oversight.

As far as the enemy in Cuba, some of you will just never get it. If you
release them, they will kill any Americans they can at their first chance.

You know this based on what? Based on one side, the accuser?

So we keep them until the war is over.

This "war" will never be "over." So we keep them forever?

You say what war? You have to be blind, 1993 WTC, Africa Embassies, USS
Cole, 9/11, that is the war. We just finally got the balls to take the
fight to them, and stopped worrying about public opinion. We need to
protect this country, and we don't need anyone's permission to do it.

There is little evidence what they have done has done anything to protect
this country. Perhaps they keep everything so secret to avoid the whole
mess being discovered as a sham?

If they are genuinely concerned about sensitive information, then convene a
bipartisan committee sworn to secrecy to oversee what is going on. (Oh,
that's right, this administration can't keep national secrets to save it's
life. But others in government can.)

Bottom line: No oversight, no trust; and huge opportunity for abuse of
power.

You can't tell me that 1 in 1000 people didn't think that there would be
another attack on US soil after 9/11. But because we took the war to them,
there wasn't. Little evidence, correct. If not for President Bush, and
this administration doing the right thing, instead of the popular thing,
there would be evidence all over the place from additional attacks on our
soil.

And as far as the one sided point of the accuser, you are correct. I am a
Federal Law Enforcement Officer, and an Officer in the Army Reserve. I have
seen first hand what these people do, and given the opportunity will do it
again.

The ignorance of the general publice, and people who bash the war on terror
makes me sick. But the great thing about this country, freedom, the
ignorant are free to speak about subjects they have no idea, nor any
knowledge of.

But let me ask this, would you rather have Al-Queda killing our civilians in
the USA, or fighting our military in Iraq. I will take our military killing
them in Iraq any day, then having them kill civilians over here.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...

"Tom Hyslip" wrote in message
m...
They all shout about others, and repeat rumors, with no evidence.

Secret lists, secret proceedings - no oversight.

As far as the enemy in Cuba, some of you will just never get it. If you
release them, they will kill any Americans they can at their first
chance.

You know this based on what? Based on one side, the accuser?

So we keep them until the war is over.

This "war" will never be "over." So we keep them forever?

You say what war? You have to be blind, 1993 WTC, Africa Embassies, USS
Cole, 9/11, that is the war. We just finally got the balls to take the
fight to them, and stopped worrying about public opinion. We need to
protect this country, and we don't need anyone's permission to do it.

There is little evidence what they have done has done anything to protect
this country. Perhaps they keep everything so secret to avoid the whole
mess being discovered as a sham?

If they are genuinely concerned about sensitive information, then convene
a
bipartisan committee sworn to secrecy to oversee what is going on. (Oh,
that's right, this administration can't keep national secrets to save it's
life. But others in government can.)

Bottom line: No oversight, no trust; and huge opportunity for abuse of
power.

Do a google search on "9/11 Detainees", "Guantanamo Bay Detainees",
and "FISA Secret Court"
also:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/17/detainees/

Larry Dighera wrote in message . ..
-------------------------------------------------------------------
AVflash Volume 9, Number 46a November 10, 2003

-------------------------------------------------------------------


TFRS: WHO ARE THEY REALLY STOPPING?
The FAA is looking at revising its enforcement policy for pilots
who bust TFRs and the Washington ADIZ. Agency officials told a
recent meeting of the GA Coalition that federal security agencies
are not in favor of a flexible system of enforcement that takes
mitigating factors into consideration. In fact, according to EAA's
account of the meeting, the Secret Service initially wanted
criminal charges laid against wayward pilots. Coalition Chairman
Tom Poberezny urged the FAA to adopt a uniform policy that allows
remedial action, counseling and even amnesty for pilots who
mistakenly enter restricted airspace. The meeting attendees were
told that almost 2,800 violations have been recorded so far, about
half of them in the Washington ADIZ and Camp David TFRs.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186022

Doug wrote:

Do a google search on "9/11 Detainees", "Guantanamo Bay Detainees",
and "FISA Secret Court"

Because, if it's on the Internet, it MUST BE True. Don't provide specific citations from respected
sources, of course.

The Justice Department and Ashcroft admit everything alleged. What about
this don't you believe?


"Samantha" wrote in message
...
Doug wrote:

Do a google search on "9/11 Detainees", "Guantanamo Bay Detainees",
and "FISA Secret Court"

Because, if it's on the Internet, it MUST BE True. Don't provide
specific citations from respected
sources, of course.

Probably because she was never taught about these things in school.
Neither was I. Probaby because she was taught that the police had to
follow the rules in the constitution. No one ever taught any of us
about these things. Therefore they don't exist. Also she probably
voted for Bush, how could he do such a thing, if she voted for him?

It all really exists, secret FISA courts, 1000 arrested without
charges after 9/11, and Guantanamo Bay.

The CIA really exists, it's not just a figmant of your imagination.

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message . net...
The Justice Department and Ashcroft admit everything alleged. What about
this don't you believe?


"Samantha" wrote in message
...
Doug wrote:

Do a google search on "9/11 Detainees", "Guantanamo Bay Detainees",
and "FISA Secret Court"

Because, if it's on the Internet, it MUST BE True. Don't provide
specific citations from respected
sources, of course.

On 15 Nov 2003 21:16:27 -0800, (Doug)
wrote in Message-Id:
:


Do a google search on "9/11 Detainees", "Guantanamo Bay Detainees",
and "FISA Secret Court"
also:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/17/detainees/

It's absolutely astonishing how the Executive branch of our (US)
government has done the bidding of the 9/11 terrorists in hastening
the fall of our young idealistic nation in such a brief period of
time. I wouldn't have thought it possible. But, tyranny seems to lie
just beneath the surface of those in power:

http://bigjweb.com/artman/publish/article_806.shtml
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...:pub l451.106

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
It's absolutely astonishing how the Executive branch of our (US)
government has done the bidding of the 9/11 terrorists in hastening
the fall of our young idealistic nation in such a brief period of
time. I wouldn't have thought it possible. But, tyranny seems to lie
just beneath the surface of those in power:

Just woken up have we. Politicians love terrorists. Terrorists give the
politicians the excuse to take even more power. And once power is taken then
it is never given up easily.

I am sorry to say that 9/11 was just what Bush needed to save his Presidency
and the political careers of a whole load of White House staff who know they
were going down the tubes if things were to continue as they had been.

Bush must say prayers of thanks to the Lord for creating Bin Ladan.

TSA strategy: If you're lousy at your job of catching criminals, make it
easier by creating more "criminals".

I'm sure there's a column on a spreadsheet somewhere titled "successful
intercepts" or some such.

- Andrew

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:44:38 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#186022

Busting a *regulation* is supposed to be a civil matter. See Chapter
5 of the United States Code. Of course, this chapter has been
violated befo Remember the regulation allowing invalidation and
confiscation of a pilot's certificate without notice, due process, or
even the opportunity to contest the action?

That said, I'd almost be willing to accept this sort of penalty if
only the FAA would publish the ADIZ and FRZ on a chart suitable for
navigation; add notes to the AFD for each airport and navigation aid
inside the ADIZ; and try the pilot in front of a federal jury
consisting of peers with aviation-related certification.

But we all know how likely that will be...


Jake Brodsky,
PP ASEL IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ FME
Amateur Radio Station AB3A