Wheelbarrowing and Flare

Navy pilots say flaring to land is like squatting to pee. Real men don't do
it!

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Darrell R. Schmidt
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:35:35 -0600, Journeyman
wrote:

In article , Bob Moore
wrote:
"Ramapriya" wrote

Note that jets landing on an aircraft carrier do not flare.

Jets do not land on carriers. They make controlled crashes.


Morris (yeah, old joke, but someone had to say it)

I've heard it said that Navy pilots basically fly the airplane into
the carrier.

Bob Moore wrote:

Note that jets landing on an aircraft carrier do not flare.

But their landing gear is stressed for 2,000 fpm descent rate.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:28:08 -0500, BUFF5200 wrote:

Note that jets landing on an aircraft carrier do not flare.

But their landing gear is stressed for 2,000 fpm descent rate.

Yes, every carrier landing is essentially a crash landing, or so they
tell me.

I'm not conscious that I flare, either. Does one flare when making a
wheelie on a conventional-gear aircraft?

Did the Wright Bros flare, or were they making crash landings also?

Cub Driver wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:28:08 -0500, BUFF5200
wrote:

I'm not conscious that I flare, either. Does one flare when making a
wheelie on a conventional-gear aircraft?

Yes. They have to reduce the sink rate to a minimum before
touching down, and then raise the tail a bit to keep the wheels
planted. Banging the mains on with insufficient flare causes what we
know as "jackrabbiting" down the runway, and propstrikes are often the
result.

Dan

On 25 Dec 2004 02:00:24 -0800, "Ramapriya" wrote:

Has anyone seen wheelbarrowing occur? Prima facie, it appears too
improbable (ludicrous almost) a thing to happen but even the FAA
Airplane Flying Handbook copy that I have mentions it!

Saw one today by someone who was obviously uncomfortable in their new
Bonanza.

z

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:23:57 GMT, zatatime wrote:

On 25 Dec 2004 02:00:24 -0800, "Ramapriya" wrote:

Has anyone seen wheelbarrowing occur? Prima facie, it appears too
improbable (ludicrous almost) a thing to happen but even the FAA
Airplane Flying Handbook copy that I have mentions it!

Saw one today by someone who was obviously uncomfortable in their new
Bonanza.

The curse of the Bo pilotG According to the Bo specific Pilot
Proficiency training I went to, most Bo pilots land their planes way
too fast. They really had to work to get most of them to slow down.

OTOH you should have heard the complaints when told they were going to
do full departure stalls with the yoke blocked so they couldn't use
the ailerons. LOL

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
z

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:11:36 -0500, Roger
wrote:

Saw one today by someone who was obviously uncomfortable in their new
Bonanza.

The curse of the Bo pilotG According to the Bo specific Pilot
Proficiency training I went to, most Bo pilots land their planes way
too fast. They really had to work to get most of them to slow down.

From general observation, I totally agree. The guy today was carrying
significant power all the way to the runway and must've touched down
at around 100 - half way down the 3500 foot strip. I could see him
where I stood, and he looked busier than anything I can make an
analogy for. I kind of felt bad for him.

OTOH you should have heard the complaints when told they were going to
do full departure stalls with the yoke blocked so they couldn't use
the ailerons. LOL

That made me laugh! God forbid they need to do something they'll
learn from!

z

Wheelbarrowing and porpoising are very different things. In
wheelbarrowing, insufficient back pressure leads to directional
instability. A fairly common response is to release even more back
pressure and concentrate on trying to steer, which immediately makes
things worse as the airplane swerves sown the runway in a series of
overcorrections.

In porpoising, the aircraft's nosewheel hits, causing it to bounce in
the air, drop to the runway, and repeat. This is often a divergent
oscillation -- the amplitude increases with each bounce until either
back pressure is applied or the energy decreases sufficiently. It
usually happens on touchdown.

A nosewheel landing usually results in a porpoise. Releasing back
pressure on rollout (often in crosswinds) is the normal way to initiate
wheelbarrowing. On Cessnas, retracting flaps for a touch and go
without adding back pressure can start the wheelbarrow.

Paul

On 28 Dec 2004 07:24:15 -0800, wrote:

In porpoising, the aircraft's nosewheel hits,

I probably shouldn't say this, but taildraggers can porpoise too.

In article ,
Cub Driver wrote:

On 28 Dec 2004 07:24:15 -0800, wrote:

In porpoising, the aircraft's nosewheel hits,

I probably shouldn't say this, but taildraggers can porpoise too.


Just remember the old adage:
"A nosegear is nNOT a *landing* gear!