Clearance with an Odd Intersection

is MONDI on a SID ?
Information on fix MONDI
Name: MONDI
Identifier: MONDI
Location: 41-09-17.220N / 072-11-58.770W (NEW YORK)
ARTCC: ZBW
Fix to be published? yes
Navaid radial/DME: MAD /cgi-bin/navaid-info?a=MADr126.00
GON /cgi-bin/navaid-info?a=GONr226.45
HTO /cgi-bin/navaid-info?a=HTOr033.56
I-GON SW CRS/13.23
Charts: IAP
Fix use: Reporting point

if you don't under stand the clearance ask ? for clarification
try not to accept any clearance you don't understand
jon

Typically, if you file your IFR flight plan with /G, I think ATC assumes
that its an IFR Certified GPS and that the intersection is in the
database. I've gotten something like this before, but it was enroute
and ATC asked me if I could identify the intersection. After I
acknowledged that I could, ATC told me "Direct to" that intersection.

Regards,
Charlie

Marco Leon wrote:
Has anyone received a route clearance that included an intersection that was
only on an approach chart and not in an Enroute Chart?
Flew IFR from FRG to GON with the following clearance: Farmingdale Three,
radar vectors BDR, direct MAD, MAD 126 radial to MONDI, direct.
For the life of me I couldn't find MONDI on the enroute. However, it was in
my (up-to-date) Garmin 430 database and it was pretty much on the way
(albeit a bit of a dogleg) so I didn't make it an issue. Turns out MONDI is
only on the KGON ILS RWY 5 and it's not even an IAF. The GPS RWY 33 was the
active approach which made it even more difficult to figure out.

Is this commom anywhere else? Should they have told me it was only on an
IAP chart? Are all the fixes on any of a given airport's approach charts
fair-game to include in an enroute clearance?

Regards,
Marco Leon

"Charlie Derk" wrote in message
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Typically, if you file your IFR flight plan with /G, I think ATC assumes
that its an IFR Certified GPS and that the intersection is in the
database.

Why would ATC assume anything else?

Yes, but to enter the intersection into your flight plan on your GPS,
you must first know how it is spelled. If you are not familiar with the
area you are flying in and the controller speaks the name of an
intersection, you may not know where to look on the chart to see how it
is spelled.

Charlie Derk wrote:
Typically, if you file your IFR flight plan with /G, I think ATC assumes
that its an IFR Certified GPS and that the intersection is in the
database. I've gotten something like this before, but it was enroute
and ATC asked me if I could identify the intersection. After I
acknowledged that I could, ATC told me "Direct to" that intersection.

The recommended procedure if you don't know how to spell the identifier
is to respond with "Say Identifier". If it will take awhile to program
the intersection into the GPS, you could also ask for a heading.

jsmith wrote:
Yes, but to enter the intersection into your flight plan on your GPS,

you must first know how it is spelled. If you are not familiar with
the
area you are flying in and the controller speaks the name of an
intersection, you may not know where to look on the chart to see how
it
is spelled.

Charlie Derk wrote:
Typically, if you file your IFR flight plan with /G, I think ATC
assumes
that its an IFR Certified GPS and that the intersection is in the
database. I've gotten something like this before, but it was
enroute
and ATC asked me if I could identify the intersection. After I
acknowledged that I could, ATC told me "Direct to" that
intersection.