Could training at a towered airport have prevented the ADIZ bust

I don't see how that would have helped with cross country navigation skills
around the DC ADIZ
BT

"airman" wrote in message
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The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field. I remember how difficult it was to train at a
Class D airport, wishing that I could have made my early training hours
easier at an un-towered field. Now I'm grateful for all the angst and
mike-fright I went through and eventually overcame.

"airman" wrote in message
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The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field.

That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it to
CNN.

Dave Stadt wrote:
"airman" wrote in message
. ..
The CNN pilot-reporter, Miles O'Brien, made a good point. These guys took
off from an uncontrolled airfield, implying that they were not adept with
ordinary ATC as would pilots be who were trained or who are resident at a
Class D or C towered field.
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it to
CNN.

it isn't a bunch of crap. I've heard many many people here on usenet
asking about flying into the LA area, SFO area, etc. because the
last time they dealt with ATC was when they had to do 3 t/o and landings
at a controlled airport for their private. Of course they are not
comfortable talking to ATC especially if they don't have their
instrument. As for me, I fly out of SQL right underneath
the approach into SFO (pattern level is 800 and SFO ILS practically
over the pattern at 1800). As a student pilot on my long XC, I went
through SFO bravo and were talking to SFO Tower. No big deal. For
others with only have talked semi-casually on a CTAF it could be
completely new.

Gerald

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"Dave Stadt" wrote:
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it to
CNN.

More alarming to me was his repeated emphasis and overuse of the term
"uncontrolled," followed by his emphasis on the fact that there are all
of these little airplanes flying around every day and no one knows what
they're doing or where they're going. While that's all true, a veteran
pilot could have used better discretion while describing these concepts
so as not to further alarm the public.


JKG

In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it to
CNN.

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.



JKG

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:
That's absolute bull crap. I fly out of an uncontrolled airport as do
probably 100 or more airline and other professional pilots pilots. Are
they
not adept at talking to ATC because they fly out of an uncontrolled
airport?
That's got to be one of the dumbest statements ever. But then leave it
to
CNN.

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.



JKG

That's simply not true.

In article ,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:
If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.



JKG

That's simply not true.

It simply is true, in my experience. The fact is that if you fly from a
non-towered airport in VFR conditions, it is not a requirement that you
talk to anyone. Many folks do just that.



JKG

If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.

???

Mary and I fly from an uncontrolled airfield, are not instrument-rated, and
talk to ATC on nearly every flight.

And we're in Iowa -- supposedly the far corner of the galaxy.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article r6Oge.76216$WI3.72033@attbi_s71,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Mary and I fly from an uncontrolled airfield, are not instrument-rated, and
talk to ATC on nearly every flight.

And we're in Iowa -- supposedly the far corner of the galaxy.

And you're also fairly "new" pilots. When I started training 10 years
ago, I had a young instructor who was comfortable on the radio, so I
became comfortable on the radio. I was taught to use flight following
on every flight, and was comfortable listening and talking from day 1.

I don't notice the problem so much from younger folks who have been
trained by younger folks, but I do notice it quite a bit in the folks
who have been flying for 30 or 40 years, are not instrument rated, and
only go out when the sun shines. Not sure whether the problem is
comfort level or attitude, but if that were me, I wouldn't be flying
around busy controlled airspace with an ADIZ overlay if I wasn't
comfortable at least LISTENING to the right frequencies.



JKG

Seems to me that he needed only a $140 gps with a proximity waypoint around
the Washington monument to keep him out of trouble.

Jay Honeck wrote in message ...
If you fly from an uncontrolled field and aren't an instrument pilot,
there is a good chance that you very rarely, if ever, talk to anyone on
the radio.

???

Mary and I fly from an uncontrolled airfield, are not instrument-rated, and
talk to ATC on nearly every flight.

And we're in Iowa -- supposedly the far corner of the galaxy.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"