GA headed for regulatory trouble

Of course, the reality that far more people are exposed to death
and dismemberment in automobile crashes every single day won't
cross anyone's mind.

But, the truth is coming out. About the total disregard many of you have
for noise, safety, etc. as well as the huge taxpayer subsidies that GA
airports receive.

*yawn*

Can't you find a worthy cause to pursue?

Go save some baby seals, or maybe some endangered tree frogs... Or perhaps
even help some kid learn to read...?

Just about anything you could do would be a more useful endeavor than trying
to stop aviation -- possibly mankind's highest achievement.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Who wants to "stop aviation?" Why would anyone want to do this?

All we want is better regulation of GA, eliminate taxpayer subsidies for
GA airports, upgrade pilot training so that these be a pilot in a month
schools won't exist, change the FARs so that a turboprop cant legally
circle over people's house all day long, expose the FAA corrupt,
ineffective regulation of GA, etc.

Every single day, some GA pilots prove that the industry is running amuck.
I feel badly for the responsible majority of GA pilots, but a small
minority is ruining it for all of you, especially those with calalier
attitudes (protect baby seals - please). And Phil Boyer panders to the
lowest common denominator.

Skylune wrote:
Who wants to "stop aviation?" Why would anyone want to do this?

All we want is better regulation of GA, eliminate taxpayer subsidies for
GA airports, upgrade pilot training so that these be a pilot in a month
schools won't exist, change the FARs so that a turboprop cant legally
circle over people's house all day long, expose the FAA corrupt,
ineffective regulation of GA, etc.

Every single day, some GA pilots prove that the industry is running amuck.
I feel badly for the responsible majority of GA pilots, but a small
minority is ruining it for all of you, especially those with calalier
attitudes (protect baby seals - please). And Phil Boyer panders to the
lowest common denominator.


GA is pretty heavily regulated right now, in case you haven't noticed.
I really don't think we need a whole lot more. GA did not cause 9-11
and now that there are 200 times as many TFR's as there were pre-911
you've got to expect a few more occasional violations.

This USED to be more of a free country than it is today, in case you've forgotten.

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Yeah, I agree that its only a matter of time. That huge AOPA staff that
you guys pay for can only protect you for so long. There have been a
number of close calls for innocents on the ground (the trailer park homes
that were destroyed, highway crashes in Calif, the home that was destroyed
in texas, etc.), but eventually some GA pilot is going to cause alot of
innocents to die (Of course people will post the usual drivel he
"condolences to the pilot -- he was really good -- we'll miss him, yada
yada yada). When that happens, there will really generate alot of
headlines.

But, the truth is coming out. About the total disregard many of you have
for noise, safety, etc. as well as the huge taxpayer subsidies that GA
airports receive.

There is a nationwide meeting of anti aviation activists coming up next
weekend. With all the news you guys are generating (high profile crashes
all over the country, kids stealing planes, constant intrusions into the
DC ADIZ, the truth about who pays to subsidize your fun (taxpayers), etc.
we have plenty of ammunition to put some sanity into this business.

SKYLUNE is always watching.


You can get your reality check he

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm

You might want to work on that "accidental exposure to cold" . That's just
about the same number of people as die in GA airplane accidents. Or maybe
work on cancelling swimming pools, also about the same number of deaths.

Forget the trivial stuff like the 15,000 car occupants, or 15,000 drug
overdoses, many of them in hospitals, or 12,000 gun deaths. Obviously those
are already well regulated.

While you are looking up at the next GA airplane flying by, your odds of
dying from falling on the sidewalk are just about 6 times as great.

Better shut down walking, too, then, just to be safe.

Have a pleasant life.

Icebound wrote:

Have a pleasant life.

Ignore that troll. He lives for no other purpose than to get a rise out of
the group.


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"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Icebound wrote:

Have a pleasant life.

Ignore that troll. He lives for no other purpose than to get a rise out
of
the group.



Oh, of course.... but I get this perverse satisfaction from recalling that
page, just to review all the different possibilities by which that may
cease..... :-)

You can get YOUR reality check by looking at the OSHA statistics of the
most dangerous occupations. Pilots and flight engineers came in third,
behind loggers and commercial fishermen. And we know that the amateur
pilots crash more often. As they say, you can look it up...

Hey, if not for the noise and taxpayer subsidies, I could really care
less. And I'm not worried about a small plane crashing into my house or
business. No more than I won't swim in the ocean for fear of sharks. But
do you really think that if a family gets killed, or a school or business
gets hit, that won't generate calls for better regulation??

Cavalier attitudes (and simple name-calling) such as yours are our allies.
So thank you.

Skylune wrote:
You can get YOUR reality check by looking at the OSHA statistics of the
most dangerous occupations. Pilots and flight engineers came in third,
behind loggers and commercial fishermen. And we know that the amateur
pilots crash more often. As they say, you can look it up...

Crashes actually have little to do with it. According to USA Today, the high
casualty rate in professional pilots is due to diseases associated with the high
level of stress that comes with the job. Amateur pilots are not exposed to this.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

"PittsS1C" wrote in message
...
Obviously shooting these a couple of these planes down is impractical.
(but I firmly believe you wouldn't have to kill many before no one would
wander there again)
Are there any other reasonable consequences that would major deterrent?
Part of the problem is that it is not a big enough inconvenience for
violators.
I would rather that the aviation community help find a solution before an
irrational governmental body imposes useless painful legislation upon all
the rest of us. We need to "take care of our own".
Is "Federal pound me in the ass" prison enough? (with huge bail, so they
would be massively inconvenienced)

We as pilots would have to support it. Less incursions is safer for us
(the aviation community)


In democracies, legislators should be defending themselves from aviator's
questions, rather than aviators cowering before the legislator's
impositions.

Before we go shooting these guys down, or incarcerating them for life,
consider their intent and the relative consequence of their actions.
Restrictions in any walk of life should be constantly questioned as to
purpose and effectiveness. Where imposed by the law of the land they must
be followed, of course, but they should continue to be questioned.


"Taking care of our own" should mean aggressively defending pilots whose
technical violation of a rule, has resulted in no significant consequence.


Why do we think there will be no violations, no matter what the penalty? In
all walks of life there are laws (prohibitions), and they all have
violations. The law says it is dangerous to drive too fast, some of us do
and get caught. Don't steal, burglaries do happen; don't cheat, Enron
happens; don't kill, murders do happen, etc. The law says don't fly here,
some do.

So the *regulations* hold *violations* down to a manageable level, that's
all.

If someone violates the don't-kill rule, somebody dies. When Enron happens,
ten of thousands of individual investors suffer for a very long time.

When an ADIZ violation happens, the usual consequence of the perpetrator's
action is.... uh... ???