Circle to Land @ KRBG

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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If you're practicing in VMC, then you should break off the
approach and join a normal pattern.


That may not be an option.

You can always request a contact approach and fly any
altitude and path including the normal VFR pattern and still
be "on an IFR clearance." If you are working for an
operator who does not allow cancellation of IFR, then it is
up to the PIC to determine the method required to comply
with IAP and VFR traffic pattern. Read about a "contact
approach" and if you're making an approach that will require
circling, and there is VFR traffic, advise ATC that you will
be requesting a contact approach when you at in VMC
conditions.


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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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You can always request a contact approach and fly any
altitude and path including the normal VFR pattern and still
be "on an IFR clearance." If you are working for an
operator who does not allow cancellation of IFR, then it is
up to the PIC to determine the method required to comply
with IAP and VFR traffic pattern. Read about a "contact
approach" and if you're making an approach that will require
circling, and there is VFR traffic, advise ATC that you will
be requesting a contact approach when you at in VMC
conditions.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


5-4-23. Contact Approach

a. Pilots operating in accordance with an IFR flight plan, provided they are
clear of clouds and have at least 1 mile flight visibility and can
reasonably expect to continue to the destination airport in those
conditions, may request ATC authorization for a contact approach.

As I mentioned in the amendment to the OP, the King Air broke out at
2000msl, and from there had no comm with center. I think he was stuck with
the approach he was cleared for.



Al

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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You can always request a contact approach and fly any
altitude and path including the normal VFR pattern and still
be "on an IFR clearance."


Well, you can always request a contact approach, but you can't always get
one. Clearance for a contact approach requires a reported ground visibility
of at least one mile. Not all airports have weather reporting.



If you are working for an
operator who does not allow cancellation of IFR, then it is
up to the PIC to determine the method required to comply
with IAP and VFR traffic pattern.


Compliance with the "VFR traffic pattern" is not required in this case.
Review the regulation, before you get to " make all turns of that airplane
to the left", you have "unless otherwise authorized or required." If you're
on the VOR-A and intend to land on runway 16 compliance with the restriction
on circling east of the runway will require turns to the right

In a previous article, "Al" said:
At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left traffic for both ends
of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite "Circling east of the rwy
34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when I break out, and have
to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16", while VFR traffic is flying
the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for RWY16?

If there is VFR traffic in the pattern, cancel IFR and join the pattern.

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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If there is VFR traffic in the pattern, cancel IFR and join the pattern.


What if that's not permitted?

In a previous article, "Steven P. McNicoll" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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If there is VFR traffic in the pattern, cancel IFR and join the pattern.
What if that's not permitted?

Forgive my ignorance, but if there is VFR traffic in the pattern, why
would cancelling IFR not be permitted?


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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Forgive my ignorance, but if there is VFR traffic in the pattern, why
would cancelling IFR not be permitted?


Company policy.

Forgive my ignorance, but if there is VFR traffic in the pattern, why
would cancelling IFR not be permitted?

Ops specs? VFR traffic is illegally flying in what is really IFR
conditions (not likely for a towered airport though)? Funny airspace
(such as the FRZ or DC ADIZ, where cancelling might be problematic,
though it might not be)

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Class G VFR weather minumum during day time is 1sm visibility and clear
of clouds. At KRBG it's actually lower than the instrument approach
minimum.

If IFR all the way to the ground, then the circle to land should be
done according to the restriction of the IAP.