Skymaster MEL

In article ,
Sylvain wrote:

I don't mean to be picky, but would one engine out exercises performed
in a B-52 be as interesting as performed in say, a civilian light twin?

There is a term for that in the military...

In the case of the B52, the dreaded seven engine approach

On Apr 23, 6:05 pm, "BT" wrote:
true.. same for F-15 and T-38

showing a valid (current) military check ride in something like a B-52 or
KC-135, C-17, C141
will remove the restriction
BT

They're not going to let F-15 jocks behind something a complicated at
a B-52 though are they? Figure 20 times the number of knobs alone.

-Robert

Hi Both Bob Moore and jimp are correct here. You will earn an Airplane
Multi-Engine Rating Land, with a restriction to centerline thrust
until the limitation is waived upon demonstrated abilitly in a normal
twin engine airplane. The Fars are quite clear on this. As far as the
twins outapacing SEL performance, look back just ten years where
single engine IFR wasn't allowed under FAR Part 135. MY, how things
have changed! I just flew a partners TBM 850 from BOS-RSW, what a
nice airplane! 300 knots @FL300, less than four hours.

As far as the rating it depends upon who you are working for, and who
is picking up the rating. Years ago one company held enough
confidence in me to invest in both an ATP, and a MEL rating on my CFI
and I certainly took care of these folks for doing so.


Have a great one!

Bush

On 22 Apr 2007 09:57:10 -0700, wrote:

Posibly a dumb question and one that has been answered before. I did a
quick search and did not find the answer.
If you did all your twin training in a Skymaster and received you MEL
would you be limited to inline thrust twins or is a "normal" MEL? If
it is inline thrust only how are would it be to change to all twins.
Reason I am asking is I may have a chance to do some training in a
Skymaster and I am wondering if it is worth it to get my MEL.

wrote:
Posibly a dumb question and one that has been answered before. I did a
quick search and did not find the answer.
If you did all your twin training in a Skymaster and received you MEL
would you be limited to inline thrust twins or is a "normal" MEL? If
it is inline thrust only how are would it be to change to all twins.
Reason I am asking is I may have a chance to do some training in a
Skymaster and I am wondering if it is worth it to get my MEL.


It's going to say "Center Line Thrust Only". You would be precluded from flying
conventional twins by yourself. I'd suggest getting your multi rating in a
conventional twin; the limitation doesn't run the other way.

Now, if the Skymaster is cheap flying for you, I don't know that I would pass it
up. But I don't see much utility in a multi rating that precludes flying the
majority of the fleet.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Yes I meant Multi Engine Land, sorry if I confused people.
Thanks for the answer. I still might do it if I can do the Skymaster
cheap.

On 22 Apr 2007 09:57:10 -0700, wrote:

Posibly a dumb question and one that has been answered before. I did a
quick search and did not find the answer.
If you did all your twin training in a Skymaster and received you MEL
would you be limited to inline thrust twins or is a "normal" MEL? If
it is inline thrust only how are would it be to change to all twins.
Reason I am asking is I may have a chance to do some training in a
Skymaster and I am wondering if it is worth it to get my MEL.

Depends on what your long term intentions are. If you will continue
to fly the Skymaster (or perhaps an Adam A500), then by all means
continue.

If you want to transition to a 'traditional' twin, then you will need
to retake the ME checkride to remove the 'centerline thrust only'
restriction.

-Nathan

On 2007-04-22 09:57:10 -0700, said:

Posibly a dumb question and one that has been answered before. I did a
quick search and did not find the answer.
If you did all your twin training in a Skymaster and received you MEL
would you be limited to inline thrust twins or is a "normal" MEL? If
it is inline thrust only how are would it be to change to all twins.
Reason I am asking is I may have a chance to do some training in a
Skymaster and I am wondering if it is worth it to get my MEL.

As the others have said, you are limited to centerline thrust only. As
to the other part of your question, I would have to say that if you can
get your multi-engine training inexpensively in the Skymaster then go
for it. Just do the add-on later.

If this is a pressurized Skymaster you might as well get the
pressurized and high altitude sign-offs as well.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:16:07 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:


If this is a pressurized Skymaster you might as well get the
pressurized and high altitude sign-offs as well.

Does the pressurized Skymaster have a service ceiling in excess of
FL250?

On 2007-04-25 08:33:38 -0700, Peter Clark
said:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:16:07 -0700, C J Campbell
wrote:


If this is a pressurized Skymaster you might as well get the
pressurized and high altitude sign-offs as well.

Does the pressurized Skymaster have a service ceiling in excess of
FL250?

No, you are right. The service ceiling is only 19,500 feet. I had
forgotten about this limitation, but I think it was because of the
windows, which were never really optimal for pressurized flight.

The Skymaster is a fun airplane to fly, although it has its oddities.
It is nice and roomy and easy to get in and out of. The pressurized
versions are not great photography planes, of course. Rear visibility
suffers some. There have been some problems with overheating of the
rear engine while taxiing, so some pilots have taxied with only the
front engine and then forgotten to start the rear before taking off.
The Skymaster will take off on one engine, but it needs a lot more
runway.

One of the only airplanes I ever saw crash was an O-2, the military
version of the Skymaster. The doggone thing collapsed its nose gear on
touchdown at Clark AB in the Philippines. The pilot managed to eject,
but the plane balled itself up. Pilot had a broken leg. Man, that guy
was ticked.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"C J Campbell" wrote

One of the only airplanes I ever saw crash was an O-2, the military
version of the Skymaster. The doggone thing collapsed its nose gear on
touchdown at Clark AB in the Philippines. The pilot managed to eject, but
the plane balled itself up. Pilot had a broken leg. Man, that guy was
ticked.

I never knew that the O-2 had an ejection seat. Very interesting, indeed.

So why was he ticked? He got out alive, didn't he?
--
Jim in NC