Do I have to file?

On May 30, 2:45 am, wrote:
This is nuts.

There should be no reason a properly filed IFR plan cannot be
initiated airborne, if it starts at a VOR or intersection , for
example.

Especially in LA. There is more need to do composite flights in LA
because going IFR through some areas of LA can increase your distance
by as much as 50 miles (vs. using the VFR coridors). I've often
wondered if I could get an airborne IFR clearance by contacting the
tower and doing a low pass vs. actually landing. Over SMO (where most
people want to pick up their IFR in the air because they just got out
of the VFR route) it would also save you $4.14 if you don't touch the
ground.

-Robert

Out here in the wide open spaces of the west, when you say you want to go
present position direct to your destination the controller usually says "Say
type and filed airspeed," followed by an abbreviated clearance. In the more
constricted north-south airspace of Florida, that might not work.

Bob Gardner

"smf" wrote in message
...
If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have
to file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a
(local) ifr?


thanks


Steve

To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Radio can be to the FSS... or to an ATC controller. Depending on the
local ATC environment and workload, the local tower MAY accept and enter
a requested flight plan into the system, or they MAY NOT.

My question is.. to conduct this flight, you need to essentially have a
weather and tfr briefing to familiarize yourself will all information
pertinent to the flight. That is able to be accomplished with DUATS or
with a phone call to the FSS.

Once you are done with a brief, they can file your briefed route as a
plan. If you are a US certed pilot, you most likely can use DUATS. It
seems the most reasonable thing to do is to prepare ahead of time, file
the plan, then get clearance when you are ready to depart, rather than
impose on the local controllers to do your work for you.

Dave

smf wrote:
If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have to
file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a (local)
ifr?


thanks


Steve

Dave S wrote:
To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...

You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.


Unless otherwise authorized by ATC.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.


Unless otherwise authorized by ATC.


Sorry Steven, incorrect. There is no qualification on the requirement
for the flight plan. What ATC can do is authorize deviations on the
content of an IFR plan. It is in the "Information required" section
that starts with "unless otherwise authroized by ATC." This is what
permits the filing of the "abbreviated" (most places) or TEC
(californicate) plans.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.


Unless otherwise authorized by ATC.


Sorry Steven, incorrect. There is no qualification on the requirement
for the flight plan. What ATC can do is authorize deviations on the
content of an IFR plan. It is in the "Information required" section that
starts with "unless otherwise authroized by ATC." This is what
permits the filing of the "abbreviated" (most places) or TEC
(californicate) plans.


So the regulation does not permit a popup?

"Dave S" wrote in message
link.net...
To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

steve

smf wrote:
"Dave S" wrote in message
link.net...
To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

You file an abbreviated plan with ATC...the first part of
the rule for IFR plans says "Unless authorized by ATC..."

"smf" wrote in message
.. .

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?


Immediately following "information required" in FAR 91.169(a).