Bend over, folks...

Fargo wrote:
No emotion involved at all. I didn't actually consider how a gun was
conveyed to an event, simply the attitude that it's presence seems to
bring out. It's not about killing, it's about power. I've had years
to observe the behaviour of people with guns. Not impressed. In the
case of a responsible (if needlessly fearful) owner carrying a gun
fully concealed, why would I ever know about it? OTOH, you'de be
amazed how quickly they get pulled out, and the stupidity of the
reasons. I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self
defence than any other source.



I have to ask. Who are these people that you are observing with guns?
Because, as you say, with a properly concealed gun you won't know it is
there?

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Fargo wrote:
No emotion involved at all. I didn't actually consider how a gun was
conveyed to an event, simply the attitude that it's presence seems to
bring out. It's not about killing, it's about power. I've had years
to observe the behaviour of people with guns. Not impressed. In the
case of a responsible (if needlessly fearful) owner carrying a gun
fully concealed, why would I ever know about it? OTOH, you'de be
amazed how quickly they get pulled out, and the stupidity of the
reasons. I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self
defence than any other source.



I have to ask. Who are these people that you are observing with guns?
Because, as you say, with a properly concealed gun you won't know it is
there?


His ISP address is in Kenya. Weapons may be a badge of authority there.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...


I have to ask. Who are these people that you are observing with guns?
Because, as you say, with a properly concealed gun you won't know it is
there?

Why do you have to ask. They are normal people, until they decide they want
their own way very badly, or they are frightened, or upset, or desperate.
You probably knew that. They are in the news all the time.

"Fargo" wrote in message
...
No emotion involved at all. I didn't actually consider how a gun was
conveyed to an event, simply the attitude that it's presence seems to
bring out. It's not about killing, it's about power. I've had years to
observe the behaviour of people with guns. Not impressed. In the case of a
responsible (if needlessly fearful) owner carrying a gun fully concealed,
why would I ever know about it? OTOH, you'de be amazed how quickly they
get pulled out, and the stupidity of the reasons.
I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self defence than any
other source.


You won't see it in the US. If a licensed person pulls a gun without just
cause, he won't have a license (or his freedom) very long.

I've seen far more bullying from people declaring self defence than any
other source.

I guess that brings us pretty squarely back to the original subject of this
thread.

On Jun 20, 4:12 pm, Bryan Martin
wrote:

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Bull****, you just don't hear about such cases much in the popular
press. It contradicts their liberal political agenda. The fact is, the
crime rates are lowest in places where concealed carry is most
widespread. ...

How did you find out?

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FF

wrote:
On Jun 20, 4:12 pm, Bryan Martin
wrote:

...


Bull****, you just don't hear about such cases much in the popular
press. It contradicts their liberal political agenda. The fact is,
the crime rates are lowest in places where concealed carry is most
widespread. ...

How did you find out?

FF

Here's one study.

John R. Lott, Jr., More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and
Gun-Control Laws (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1998)(Studies in law
and economics)(ISBN: 0226493636). 232p

On Jun 24, 8:23 pm, Bryan Martin
wrote:
In article .com,



wrote:
On Jun 20, 4:12 pm, Bryan Martin
wrote:

...

Bull****, you just don't hear about such cases much in the popular
press. It contradicts their liberal political agenda. The fact is, the
crime rates are lowest in places where concealed carry is most
widespread. ...

How did you find out?

...

Not from the national news media. To find this kind of information, you
have to dig for it. The NRA, among others, have people who spend a lot
of time digging through crime statistics and other sources. As a NRA
member, I have access the results of this research. And the NRA always
includes references to the original data so it can be verified.

The anti gun groups rarely include any reference to sources to back up
their claims.


At this point, neither have you.

Should you chose to post some specific references, could you
post your followup to a newsgroup where it is on-topic?

I'll follow the thread.

--

FF

"Bryan Martin" wrote in message
...
Bull****, you just don't hear about such cases much in the popular
press. It contradicts their liberal political agenda. The fact is, the
crime rates are lowest in places where concealed carry is most
widespread. I. e. the more guns on the street, the less crime there is.
This indicate that citizens carrying guns does, in fact prevent violent
crime. The criminals aren't all completely stupid, they will move their
activities to areas where it is safer for them to operate. For example,
violent crime rates are very high in D.C. but much lower just outside
the city limits. Because of, not in site of the fact that D.C. has the
most draconian gun control laws in the country.

Guns are used millions of times a year to prevent crime as opposed to
thousands of times a year to commit crimes.


Quite the contrary, when the rare occasion strikes that an ordinary citizen
foils a crime, most especially with a firearm, it hits the press big time.
Also criminals, the violent type at least, are by and large pretty stupid
people. Finally if you want to find a very safe environment, look to police
states. In places where the gov't prohibits almost everything overt crime is
nearly non-existent. For verification, you don't need word of mouth or
folklore, look to the news. While you may perceive them as liberal pawns,
the liberals perceive them as very conservative and the truth is that their
product is rather balanced. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it
biased.

In the interest of truth, I am not from Kenya despite someones
determination. I have held positions that force me to deal with armed
individuals. I am usually unarmed and I feel pretty safe about it, even in
Florida. I'm going to go back to aviation related topics now.

Fargo wrote:
"Bryan Martin" wrote in
message news:bryanmmartinNOSPAM-
...
Bull****, you just don't hear about such cases much in the popular
press. It contradicts their liberal political agenda. The fact is,
the crime rates are lowest in places where concealed carry is most
widespread. I. e. the more guns on the street, the less crime there
is. This indicate that citizens carrying guns does, in fact prevent
violent crime. The criminals aren't all completely stupid, they will
move their activities to areas where it is safer for them to
operate. For example, violent crime rates are very high in D.C. but
much lower just outside the city limits. Because of, not in site of
the fact that D.C. has the most draconian gun control laws in the
country. Guns are used millions of times a year to prevent crime as
opposed to
thousands of times a year to commit crimes.


Quite the contrary, when the rare occasion strikes that an ordinary
citizen foils a crime, most especially with a firearm, it hits the
press big time. Also criminals, the violent type at least, are by and
large pretty stupid people. Finally if you want to find a very safe
environment, look to police states. In places where the gov't
prohibits almost everything overt crime is nearly non-existent. For
verification, you don't need word of mouth or folklore, look to the
news. While you may perceive them as liberal pawns, the liberals
perceive them as very conservative and the truth is that their
product is rather balanced. Just because you don't like it doesn't
make it biased.


Here are six cases in lest than a month. None of them made national news.

http://www.nrapublications.org/armed...izen/Index.asp



In the interest of truth, I am not from Kenya despite someones
determination. I have held positions that force me to deal with armed
individuals. I am usually unarmed and I feel pretty safe about it,
even in Florida. I'm going to go back to aviation related topics now.

Ok so you're not from Kenya. Please explain then where you are coming in
contact with all of the armed people that use their weapons to control
others that you mentioned in a previous post.