Bonanza crash caught on video

Matt Whiting wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Aug 31, 7:40 pm, Mike Granby wrote:
Another witness mentioned an engine sputter
Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

All aircraft engines sputter, that's just the nature of how they work.
They don't sound like BMV engines.


Bull. I can easily tell a well-running aircraft engine from one that
isn't running well.

I think he might have meant that a direct
drive unmuffled flat-four sounds rough
at idle compared to most cars. And I'd
agree.

In rec.aviation.piloting, on Fri 31 Aug 2007 09:40:01p, Mike Granby
wrote:

Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

Yeah, they would hear the engine sputter even if it was a crash of a
glider.

You have to wonder on cases like this if it wasn't that they heard the
engine sputter as the prop started chewing up the terrain.

Sounds like it was a case of, "Come on baby... Come on... You can make
it... A little more... Ahhh ****!"

Really-Old-Fart wrote:
In rec.aviation.piloting, on Fri 31 Aug 2007 09:40:01p, Mike Granby
wrote:

Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

Yeah, they would hear the engine sputter even if it was a crash of a
glider.

You have to wonder on cases like this if it wasn't that they heard the
engine sputter as the prop started chewing up the terrain.

Sounds like it was a case of, "Come on baby... Come on... You can make
it... A little more... Ahhh ****!"

You got it! Ahhhh ****!!!

On Aug 31, 11:36 pm, "Really-Old-Fart"
wrote:

You have to wonder on cases like this if it wasn't that they heard the
engine sputter as the prop started chewing up the terrain.

No, all airplane engines sputter. Just park your BMV next to your
airplane and compare the sounds.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote

No, all airplane engines sputter. Just park your BMV next to your
airplane and compare the sounds.

That is twice with that BVM stuff. The first time, I thought it was a typo,
but here it is again.

Is there a BVM car that I don't know about, or did you mean to say BMW?
--
Jim in NC

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:40:01 -0700, Mike Granby
wrote:


Another witness mentioned an engine sputter

Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...


My thoughts exactly. You could sell that person as stock footage.

In a previous article, Mike Granby said:
Another witness mentioned an engine sputter

Whatever the cause of a crash, there's always someone who hears the
engine splutter...

Have you ever noticed how much the engine note changes as a plane taxis
or takes off past you? You get very different engine noises depending on
whether the prop is moving towards you or away from you. It's no wonder
naive observers think the engine was spluttering or dying.


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
....if Paul's really talking about truly average people, then they'd probably
die in either case, because common sense isn't.
-- Derick Siddoway

On Aug 31, 6:57 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:
http://fox40.trb.com/

In an amazing coincidence, a Sacramento TV station was at Cameron Park
airport filming background for a story about the crash of a plane that
had departed earlier in the day and caught a second crash on video. Go
to the web site and click on "Cameron Park Plane Crash" on the right
side.

It sure looks like the pilot was taking off from a high-density
altitude airport with no flaps, downwind.

Wow, that was ugly. It looked like he was accelerating pretty good when
he went past the camera, but just couldn't quite establish a climb. I
did hear the one witness mention it being a downwind takeoff. Another
witness mentioned an engine sputter, so it also sounds like it wasn't
leaned at all for the altitude. Very unfortunate.

Matt

Even if it was 90 degrees outside, we're only at 1200 feet so the
density couldn't have been monsterous.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Even if it was 90 degrees outside, we're only at 1200 feet so the
density couldn't have been monsterous.

-Robert


A guy from the Cherokee Pilot's Association calculated DA at 4500. Not
sure where he got the relevant info...maybe there's a local weather
reporting station at someone's house in the area. Higher DA than normal
but no, definitely not HUGE.

I'm always using two notches of flaps in the Arrow when taking off from
3-4K ft. runways, any significant DA, or terrain such as exists at
Cameron Park.

This one will be interesting to follow up with when the NTSB report
comes out.

Sparky Imeson's rule of thumb here is a good reminder. He states that
you should have 71% of your takeoff speed at the halfway point of the
runway or abort the takeoff.

Jack Allison wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

Even if it was 90 degrees outside, we're only at 1200 feet so the
density couldn't have been monsterous.

-Robert


A guy from the Cherokee Pilot's Association calculated DA at 4500. Not
sure where he got the relevant info...maybe there's a local weather
reporting station at someone's house in the area. Higher DA than normal
but no, definitely not HUGE.

I'm always using two notches of flaps in the Arrow when taking off from
3-4K ft. runways, any significant DA, or terrain such as exists at
Cameron Park.

This one will be interesting to follow up with when the NTSB report
comes out.

Sparky Imeson's rule of thumb here is a good reminder. He states that
you should have 71% of your takeoff speed at the halfway point of the
runway or abort the takeoff.

My rule with the 182 was to be in the air by the halfway point. It was
a very easy rule to follow.

Matt