Adding an airplane rating to private pilot glider

"Andy" wrote in message
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On Apr 6, 8:47 pm, gmcd05 wrote:

If you are a competent glider pilot you can expect to solo an airplane
in less time than someone with no flight experience.

It didn't really work that way for me. (Of course, I made no attempt to rush
things) Don't forget the law of primacy, there are some things that you have to
unlearn from gliders. Keep in your mind that landings in the pattern suddenly
become optional, a go-around is a whole new possibility to fit into your
decision making process.

Your instructor will not be amused by your first attempts at stall recovery.
He will insist that you use power, and you will wonder why.

Vaughn

On Apr 7, 6:33*am, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote:
*Keep in your mind that landings in the pattern suddenly
become optional, a go-around is a whole new possibility to fit into your
decision making process.
* Your instructor will not be amused by your first attempts at stall recovery.
He will insist that you use power, and you will wonder why.
Vaughn


Vaughn you raised 2 good points.
As for the go around, and as a glider pilot that added power..... And
with the disclaimer that I am just a normal pilot, no amazing skill
set that the next glider pilot doesn't have....

I have to say that I don't get this whole Go Around thing. Other than
in my initial lessons with the power instructor I have never been in a
pattern that I had to do a go around for. If you enter the pattern at
the correct height and speed, you should have no reason to do a go
around.

I wonder out loud if teaching power pilots they have that option
creates more problems than if they were taught to land the plane the
first time around like "We" are.

Doug

On Apr 7, 2:24 pm, "
wrote:
On Apr 7, 6:33 am, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote:
Keep in your mind that landings in the pattern suddenly

become optional, a go-around is a whole new possibility to fit into your
decision making process.
Your instructor will not be amused by your first attempts at stall recovery.
He will insist that you use power, and you will wonder why.
Vaughn

Vaughn you raised 2 good points.
As for the go around, and as a glider pilot that added power..... And
with the disclaimer that I am just a normal pilot, no amazing skill
set that the next glider pilot doesn't have....

I have to say that I don't get this whole Go Around thing. Other than
in my initial lessons with the power instructor I have never been in a
pattern that I had to do a go around for. If you enter the pattern at
the correct height and speed, you should have no reason to do a go
around.

I wonder out loud if teaching power pilots they have that option
creates more problems than if they were taught to land the plane the
first time around like "We" are.

Doug

the go around is more often used for those times when someone or
something decides to make use of the runway during the time you were
going to land on it. like, when a glider pulls out to stage for
takeoff.

On Apr 7, 3:28*pm, wrote:
the go around is more often used for those times when someone or
something decides to make use of the runway during the time you were
going to land on it. *like, when a glider pulls out to stage for
takeoff.

You must fly at an airport with amazing power pilots! I get to see
about 3 or so go arounds each weekend.

Doug

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On Apr 7, 6:33 am, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote:
Keep in your mind that landings in the pattern suddenly
become optional, a go-around is a whole new possibility to fit into your
decision making process.
Your instructor will not be amused by your first attempts at stall
recovery.
He will insist that you use power, and you will wonder why.
Vaughn


Vaughn you raised 2 good points.
As for the go around, and as a glider pilot that added power..... And
with the disclaimer that I am just a normal pilot, no amazing skill
set that the next glider pilot doesn't have....

I have to say that I don't get this whole Go Around thing. Other than
in my initial lessons with the power instructor I have never been in a
pattern that I had to do a go around for. If you enter the pattern at
the correct height and speed, you should have no reason to do a go
around.

I wonder out loud if teaching power pilots they have that option
creates more problems than if they were taught to land the plane the
first time around like "We" are.

Doug

I had quite a bit of glider time when I added my first 'power' rating -
which was a Commercial SEL since, given the credit I got for my logged
glider time, the Commercial didn't take all that much more time than a
Private. Under then current rules, 100 hours of my glider time counted
against the 200 hours a Commercail SEL required.

During training, a go-around never came up since the instructor's technique
was to wait until a student screwed up an approach. I didn't screw up so
the lesson was never taught.

Then one day as I was putting down a very long, slow approach waiting for
the corporate jet on the runway to finish his checklist, I started thinking
about go-arounds. It suddenly occured to me that if an airplane were to
taxi onto the runway at the last second, I might revert to glider technique
and land the airplane on the grass between the runway and taxiway. Hmmm....
That might be very hard to explain.

I called the tower and asked for a low pass over the numbers and a go-around
to get some practice with the throttle thingy.

Bill Daniels

On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:19:52 -0600, "Bill Daniels"
bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
[snip]

Then one day as I was putting down a very long, slow approach waiting for
the corporate jet on the runway to finish his checklist, I started thinking
about go-arounds. It suddenly occured to me that if an airplane were to
taxi onto the runway at the last second, I might revert to glider technique
and land the airplane on the grass between the runway and taxiway. Hmmm....
That might be very hard to explain.

I called the tower and asked for a low pass over the numbers and a go-around
to get some practice with the throttle thingy.


The go-around merits as much training and practice as any other
maneuver. In certain situations -- a Cessna with full flaps, for
instance -- there is a great deal of opportunity to screw it up. And
when you do screw it up, you're likely to be doing so in close
proximity to another airplane that may or may not know you're there...

rj

wrote:

I have to say that I don't get this whole Go Around thing. Other than
in my initial lessons with the power instructor I have never been in a
pattern that I had to do a go around for. If you enter the pattern at
the correct height and speed, you should have no reason to do a go
around.


Doug,

Stick with it, you'll find a reason in just a few more hours: there are
dozens of them. Don't ever think you've seen it all in aviation.


Jack

On Apr 7, 6:53*pm, J a c k wrote:
Doug,
Stick with it, you'll find a reason in just a few more hours: there are
dozens of them. Don't ever think you've seen it all in aviation.
Jack

Jack,
Of course I haven't seen it all. I'm sure I'll be presented with a
good reason to do a go around. Hopefully though it won't be because I
didn't fly the pattern properly.

Doug

If you enter the pattern at
the correct height and speed, you should have no reason to do a go
around.

I wonder out loud if teaching power pilots they have that option
creates more problems than if they were taught to land the plane the
first time around like "We" are.

Remember, a glider can touchdown to stop in 250 feet or less.
An airplane is often 1000 feet or more.

Think: What-if a glider is stopped on the runway...
I certainly want the power pilot to go around and miss me!
Or an animal, or another aircraft or a car, or...
The power pilot just botches the cross-wind, or starts
a PIO.

I still assert that (generally) glider pilots who transition to
power are better than power-only pilots. :-)

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!"
--
Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com http://users.frii.net/jer/
C-206, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 263 Young Eagles!

On Apr 7, 3:24 pm, "
wrote:
I wonder out loud if teaching power pilots they have that option
creates more problems than if they were taught to land the plane the
first time around like "We" are.

You don't want to force a landing when you're not comfortable with
it. As a power pilot (who is looking into but doesn't yet have a
glider rating), most of my go arounds were early in my student pilot
phase. Sometimes after turning final I'd realize that I was just too
high (too low can almost always be patched up - just give it a lil
more power to maintain altitude coming in), and I wasn't yet
comfortable with doing a slip to fix it.

So, when you're 1/3 of the way down the runway and still 300 feet up,
it's just safer to just go around and try the setup again. For me (and
I'd guess most people), they get far less frequent over time.

Particularly troublesome for me as a student pilot was that different
power levels are required for simulated normal, short, and soft field
landings. Given the different power levels they all required that I
turn base at different distances past the numbers. It can take some
time to get used to that.

Mike