Pentagon "plane" crash revised

This is the most utterly ****ing stupid piece of complete and utter
bull****
I have ever seen in my entire life.

Guest, you need to read more of Comrade Mikey's gems - this is not even one
of
his best!! )


No Gordon. This is one of my best.

sad.

Do us all a favour Michael and scuttle off to
alt.conspiracy, they go for this stuff over there.

There is no point. I prefer to be here, Keith.
Although I fully understand your feelings.
If there were no 757 crashed in Penatgon
while US goverment says there was and Ben-Laden
says there was... then what? Then US government
and ben-laden play for the same team. Right?
So I fully understand you...

Michael

This would be humorous if it wasn't such a pathetic attempt for attention. We
show you photos of the pieces on the ground, legions of people discuss it and
try to educate your atrophied, tunnel-visioned mind and the end result is that
you wipe it all away and start over - for no reason other than an intense need
for attention for little Michael...

Gordon

In article ,
nt (Krztalizer) wrote:


Do us all a favour Michael and scuttle off to
alt.conspiracy, they go for this stuff over there.

There is no point. I prefer to be here, Keith.
Although I fully understand your feelings.
If there were no 757 crashed in Penatgon
while US goverment says there was and Ben-Laden
says there was... then what? Then US government
and ben-laden play for the same team. Right?
So I fully understand you...

Michael

This would be humorous if it wasn't such a pathetic attempt for
attention. We
show you photos of the pieces on the ground, legions of people discuss it
and
try to educate your atrophied, tunnel-visioned mind and the end result is
that
you wipe it all away and start over - for no reason other than an intense
need
for attention for little Michael...

Gordon

My home office is 3-4 miles from the Pentagon. SOMETHING made an
audible, window-shaking BANG at the time cited...it sounded like the end
of the Fourth of July fireworks on the mall. Within a minute or two,
the fighters overhead indicated the unusual.

There are enough apartments and offices in line of sight of the impact
for it to be very, very credible.

nt (Krztalizer) wrote in message ...

Do us all a favour Michael and scuttle off to
alt.conspiracy, they go for this stuff over there.

There is no point. I prefer to be here, Keith.
Although I fully understand your feelings.
If there were no 757 crashed in Penatgon
while US goverment says there was and Ben-Laden
says there was... then what? Then US government
and ben-laden play for the same team. Right?
So I fully understand you...

Michael

This would be humorous if it wasn't such a pathetic attempt for attention. We
show you photos of the pieces on the ground,

Perhaps you mean those with too small "American Airlines" marks.
All this is discussed here, Gordon in English

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/penta...n/wr-redl.html

....
"Facts :

The presence of these wreckage pieces on several pictures authenticate
them.
The radius of the edge of the red letter on the often shown Mark
Faram's picture is two times smaller that the one found in the logos
"American Airlines" painted on the Boeing 757.
The size of the "C" letter on the wrecked piece is around 60% of the
size of the "C" letter on the body of the B 757.
The radius of the edge of the red letter on the picture showing a
group of running men is coherent with the radius of the logo letters
on B 757 N 644 AA.
The witnesses can be divided into two groups : those who perceived the
average dimensions of the plane and have seen a small commuter jet,
and those who perceived the logo and colors, including the "AA" sign
on the tail, the general appearance of the plane, and recognized a B
757 or an Airbus of American Airlines.
Conclusions :
First hypothese : the picture of Mark Faram and the one with the "C"
letter are not faked. In this case :
Somebody painted an "American" logo about two times smaller than a
B757 one's on the body of the plane which dived into the pentagon.
If this plane was much smaller than a B 757, (size of a commuter
plane) it was a trick to make it seen as the flight 77 for somebody
looking at it from far away.
If this plane was an airliner, it would have been painted for the
circumstance, with letters smaller than those used by American
Airlines on a B 757.
All witnesses have seen the same plane, and it is likely that they saw
a plane smaller than a B 757, though it could be similar from sight.
There is an anomaly with the debris shown aside the running men, with
a radius two times larger than on the other pictures.


Second hypothese : the images of Mark Faram and the "C" letter are
faked. In this case :
All the debris could come from a Boeing 757 of American Airlines.
The infographist who massaged Mark Faram's photo and the "C" letter
photo, probably to show that these debris were located on the logo
"American" of the B 757, had no idea of dimensions, perspective, 3D
construction, metal sheet deformations under stress, real light
effects on 3D objects. He is just an ace of Photoshop. Already seen
this conclusion, isn't it ?
Mark Faram, who shot this debris on the Pentagon's lawn and owns the
original of this picture, is either this infographist, either he is
party to this fraud.
....
"

Michael

legions of people discuss it and
try to educate your atrophied, tunnel-visioned mind and the end result is that
you wipe it all away and start over - for no reason other than an intense need
for attention for little Michael...

Gordon

From: (Michael Petukhov)


Perhaps you mean those with too small "American Airlines" marks.
All this is discussed here, Gordon in English

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/penta...n/wr-redl.html

...

Right idea, wrong "evidence." Those pictures were taken with a telephoto lense
witch foreshortens depth of view. Comparing size of the letters with body parts
and tires only works when they are the same distance from the camera. The
"comparisons" are so bogus they are funny. As for the "rivet" in the picture
that is the biggest "rivet" since the Titanic.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Nothing here that would account for a gigantic thousands-and-thousands-of
particants murder conspiracy. Two people can keep a secret when one is dead -
but in your world, Michael, people in American apparently line up to offer
their services at killing thousands of innocents. Only a product of the Soviet
abomination could routinely see the world in as warped a vision as you!

Yeah, our gov screws up, rather frequently in fact. Doesn't change the fact
that you will clutch any RIDICULOUS straw and fend off all evidence to the
contrary to maintain your grasp on whatever pet theory you choose to latch on
to.

Gordon

I only hope it was intended to be funny, because if not, then someone is
going to find it extremely offensive and possibly very
upsetting.

No reason to get upset. Take it for what it is. European anti-Americanism on
full tilt. Also a public display of a typical uneducated European with an axe
to grind.

Remember, there are still many people in Germany who believe the Holocaust
never happened and that its fabrication is a giant conspiracy to defame the
German people. Invented by Americans as well.....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: (BUFDRVR)

snip

Remember, there are still many people in Germany who believe the Holocaust
never happened and that its fabrication is a giant conspiracy to defame the
German people. Invented by Americans as well.....

The Holocaust deniers are world wide.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

My family lost a friend that was aboard that plane. Was he part of the
conspiracy?

No idea. Did you already show them the site info? They might be unaware
of something very important.

Michael


To quote the fameous Buzz Lightyear; "You're a sad, sad little man and you have
my pity".


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: (Michael Petukhov)
Date: 12/26/2003 8:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"TJ" wrote in message
...



Excellent post. Michael did you take on board what is being said here? Jeff
Rense is bad enough, but Joe Vialls and his websites simply beggars belief.

I do not care about this.

Michael, I suggest you put "joe vialls" into a search engine. This guy and
his twist on everything with an anti-western/US bias is certainly right up
your street.

and about this as well.

You'll probably even make a donation to keep his websites up
and running!

No. It is not my business. rather it is yours. As for me I care
here only if there was 757 crashed into pentagon. And it seems
there was not.

Michael

TJ

Never mind the facts you know what's right?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired