Airlines Cut Minimum Pilot Experience to 500 hours and Below

Jim, in places like New York, more specifically Long Island, with its
thousands of teachers, some earning -- ready for this? -- $100,000
plus a year (speaking of effective union negotiations!) the number who
are discharged after being tenured is very very small. Those who are
jailed for sex with students do lose their jobs though.

I know of no other profession where people at the one percentile of
effectiveness are retained and given the same salary increases as
those at the 95th percentile.

Although I live and work in NC, I don't know that much about the
public school system here. The little I do know about it is often
awful, but this is not the venue for that discussion.




On Nov 28, 12:38 am, "Morgans" wrote:
"Tina" wrote

Sometimes, though, people who are consistantly underperforming, if
training doesn't help, need to be discharged, and that can't be done
with tenure protected teachers in public school systems for example.

That is a subject that many people do not understand.

A tenured teacher is not totally protected, from being discharged for under
performing. Most people do not understand that fact.

It is true that it is more difficult to do, but if concrete reasons do
exist, the teacher is informed, written and through a conference with
administrators, of the areas of inadequate performance and possible ways to
bring the performance up to standards. If in one year, progress has not
been made, they can be dismissed.
--
Jim in NC

"Tina" wrote

Jim, in places like New York, more specifically Long Island, with its
thousands of teachers, some earning -- ready for this? -- $100,000

Holy ****, batman ! ! ! I think I'm living in the wrong place! I make
well less than half that, and I have about 25 years experience!

Really, in many places, that is battle pay. I don't know how rough the Long
Island schools are, but I would guess that they are not too bad, as compared
to large inner city schools.

Teaching in a small rural school does have its good points. The kids are
generally not well motivated, but I think that is a sign of the times.
Other than that, they are generally good kids.

plus a year (speaking of effective union negotiations!) the number who
are discharged after being tenured is very very small. Those who are
jailed for sex with students do lose their jobs though.

I know of no other profession where people at the one percentile of
effectiveness are retained and given the same salary increases as
those at the 95th percentile.

One percentile does not mean much, if you had a staff of all highly
dedicated and qualified teachers. Even in a situation like that, someone
would be classified as the one percentile, for that school.

I do understand what you are saying; I'm not blind. There are some teachers
in almost every school that need to get up to speed. The problem goes back
to the administration, I feel, for not getting after the teachers that are
not doing what they need to be doing.

Although I live and work in NC, I don't know that much about the
public school system here. The little I do know about it is often
awful, but this is not the venue for that discussion.

Yes, you are right about the venue. I know there is room for improvement,
about any place you go, though, so let's leave the discussion at that.
--
Jim in NC

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:02:59 -0800 (PST), Tina wrote:

Another aspect of the work environment that organized labor is
responsible for is the better treatment of non unionized workers.

The back-forth argument regarding union vs nonunion is just that.
Back-forth. It's really not worth pursuing.

Unions came about because employers overstepped their bounds. Union
influence declined when the overstepped their bounds. It was bound to be

The only real question, imo, is whether this pendulum, over time, balances
the employer-employee relationship.
--
Remove numbers for gmail and for God's sake it ain't "gee" either!

Morgans wrote:

"Tina" wrote


Jim, in places like New York, more specifically Long Island, with its
thousands of teachers, some earning -- ready for this? -- $100,000


Holy ****, batman ! ! ! I think I'm living in the wrong place! I make
well less than half that, and I have about 25 years experience!

You make more money when you factor in the cost of living.

"Newps" wrote

You make more money when you factor in the cost of living.

Is it really more than double? That is surprising to me, if it is.
--
Jim in NC

Well, I have no idea where you live but the way I look at it I feel
sorry for anybody that lives in the Northeast. I could make an extra
$40K or so by moving to a big city but it's a net loss due to the
increases cost of living.

Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote

You make more money when you factor in the cost of living.


Is it really more than double? That is surprising to me, if it is.

Newps wrote:
Well, I have no idea where you live but the way I look at it I feel
sorry for anybody that lives in the Northeast.

Don't feel sorry for me, I really like it here. ;^)

Gatt writes:

I'm sorry, but, there's a Burgerville down the road that pays better than
$11/hr, and a car dealership that pays better too; why would I invest tens
of thousands of dollars, submit myself to annual medical exams, corporate
nonsense (such as pilot salary) and inherent job insecurity, and then
separate myself from my family for less than what the guy flipping burgers
or selling Toyotas down the street makes?

Because (1) you start out with a tremendous love of flying, and (2) by the
time you figure out how poor you'll be, you've already invested a great deal
in the training and the profession, and you're afraid to throw it all away.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
...
Newps wrote:
Well, I have no idea where you live but the way I look at it I feel sorry
for anybody that lives in the Northeast.

Don't feel sorry for me, I really like it here. ;^)

What is it that you like about it?

Gatt writes:

Yeah, if he's fully-qualified.

What does "fully qualified" mean?

Otherwise, you could hire high school dropouts or ex-convicts to do it for
less.

It's perfectly possible to train people off the street to fly planes, just as
it is possible to train them to drive trains, trucks, and ships.

Piloting isn't rocket science.