Power Flarm Display

Not sure which butterfly display we are talking about, but the rectangular display that comes with the brick is anything but *useless* to anyone flying with polarized sun glasses. It is polarized incorrectly which means if you mount it in horizontal orientation you see practically nothing on the display. Unfortunately neither the manufacturer nor PowerFlarm folks think this is a problem. The best answer I got was "this is not a problem, don't use polarized glasses"!!! I don't have that problem with any other avionics.

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:17:39 AM UTC-8, Morteza Ansari wrote:
Not sure which butterfly display we are talking about, but the rectangular display that comes with the brick is anything but *useless* to anyone flying with polarized sun glasses. It is polarized incorrectly which means if you mount it in horizontal orientation you see practically nothing on the display.

Yes, but it works just fine with my polarized glasses in the vertical mode. So I made a bracket to hold it at the edge of the glareshield to the left of center.

Since the device and display are rotatable in increments of 90 degrees, and since all LCD displays I've seen are polarized in one plane or another, Butterfly had to pick one knowing full well that it would please some and offend others of the polarized sun glassed crowd. No way for them to win!

bumper

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:28:43 AM UTC-8, bumper wrote:
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:17:39 AM UTC-8, Morteza Ansari wrote: Not sure which butterfly display we are talking about, but the rectangular display that comes with the brick is anything but *useless* to anyone flying with polarized sun glasses. It is polarized incorrectly which means if you mount it in horizontal orientation you see practically nothing on the display. Yes, but it works just fine with my polarized glasses in the vertical mode. So I made a bracket to hold it at the edge of the glareshield to the left of center. Since the device and display are rotatable in increments of 90 degrees, and since all LCD displays I've seen are polarized in one plane or another, Butterfly had to pick one knowing full well that it would please some and offend others of the polarized sun glassed crowd. No way for them to win! bumper

The latest Firmware Version of the Butterfly display is out 3.01

It has:

New Features:
• Nondirectional traffic is shown permanently (PCAS)
• Supports PowerFLARM® CORE
• NEAREST-Mode, always automatically shows nearest target
• Units con"gurable
• Enhanced Menu
Improvements:
• Better stability with many received targets
• new dynamical menu for future extensions.
• 3.0.1: Better font readability

I just saw an ADS B target the fonts are much larger and readable.

You need a special cable to update the firmware.

Make the cable instructions and get firmware at

http://www.butterfly-avionics.com/in...upport-english

or send to your dealer or Craggy Aero.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:28:43 AM UTC-8, bumper wrote:
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:17:39 AM UTC-8, Morteza Ansari wrote:

Not sure which butterfly display we are talking about, but the rectangular display that comes with the brick is anything but *useless* to anyone flying with polarized sun glasses. It is polarized incorrectly which means if you mount it in horizontal orientation you see practically nothing on the display.



Yes, but it works just fine with my polarized glasses in the vertical mode. So I made a bracket to hold it at the edge of the glareshield to the left of center.



Since the device and display are rotatable in increments of 90 degrees, and since all LCD displays I've seen are polarized in one plane or another, Butterfly had to pick one knowing full well that it would please some and offend others of the polarized sun glassed crowd. No way for them to win!



bumper

Well, not sure I entirely agree with that. I am pretty sure there are alternate solutions to that though I am not an expert by any stretch of imagination:

http://www.maclife.com/article/news/...zed_sunglasses

With that said, note that all their literature and pictures on their docs/website show the display mounted in horizontal layout which is orientation that does NOT work. This is opposite of how they actually installed the polarizer filter and seems more like a bug advertised as a feature!

On Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:42:27 PM UTC-5, SteveB_Z5 wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a Power Flarm brick. What do users think of the display? Sun and shade readability?



Thanks,

Steve

How is the Flarm display on a PDA using See You or the Ilec SN 10 display.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:58:53 PM UTC-8, glen wrote:
On Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:42:27 PM UTC-5, SteveB_Z5 wrote: I'm thinking about getting a Power Flarm brick. What do users think of the display? Sun and shade readability? Thanks, Steve How is the Flarm display on a PDA using See You or the Ilec SN 10 display.

Glen,

SeeYou Mobile displays PowerFlarm and ADS-B targets as smaller gliders, with climb rate and altitude. When you lose Flarm lock a dot remains for the time you specify on the setup page. One can fly to the dot and zoom into the thermal track. You can color by altitude or make the glider larger or smaller. Warnings are white box across the top and the lady alerts you of traffic. "Traffic 5 oclock 50 feet low".

Richard
www.craggyaero.com

On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:44:19 PM UTC-8, Richard wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:58:53 PM UTC-8, glen wrote:

On Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:42:27 PM UTC-5, SteveB_Z5 wrote: I'm thinking about getting a Power Flarm brick. What do users think of the display? Sun and shade readability? Thanks, Steve How is the Flarm display on a PDA using See You or the Ilec SN 10 display.



Glen,



SeeYou Mobile displays PowerFlarm and ADS-B targets as smaller gliders, with climb rate and altitude. When you lose Flarm lock a dot remains for the time you specify on the setup page. One can fly to the dot and zoom into the thermal track. You can color by altitude or make the glider larger or smaller. Warnings are white box across the top and the lady alerts you of traffic. "Traffic 5 oclock 50 feet low".



Richard

www.craggyaero.com

Richard, how well the flarm track features works in your experience? Does it really capable of providing a thermal track, giving that the signal gets frequent drops when thermaling?

Ramy

On Saturday, December 22, 2012 1:07:56 PM UTC-8, Ramy wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:44:19 PM UTC-8, Richard wrote: On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:58:53 PM UTC-8, glen wrote: On Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:42:27 PM UTC-5, SteveB_Z5 wrote: I'm thinking about getting a Power Flarm brick. What do users think of the display? Sun and shade readability? Thanks, Steve How is the Flarm display on a PDA using See You or the Ilec SN 10 display. Glen, SeeYou Mobile displays PowerFlarm and ADS-B targets as smaller gliders, with climb rate and altitude. When you lose Flarm lock a dot remains for the time you specify on the setup page. One can fly to the dot and zoom into the thermal track. You can color by altitude or make the glider larger or smaller. Warnings are white box across the top and the lady alerts you of traffic. "Traffic 5 oclock 50 feet low". Richard www.craggyaero.com Richard, how well the flarm track features works in your experience? Does it really capable of providing a thermal track, giving that the signal gets frequent drops when thermaling? Ramy

Ramy,

Using SeeYou Mobile PNA on my Ultimate Le it works very well. When you lose lock on a glider a dot remains. You can set the time the dot will remain in the software. Fly to the dot and zoom in. I use a Nav Box that is assigned a zoom in function and one with a zoom out function. I have used Powerflarm in two contests with about 20 gliders equiped in each contest, and have about 300 flying hours using PowerFlarm. I really don't see dropout and when I do zoom in I see the thermal track. You get a good thermal track as it is recorded I beleive every second. The dot also has the altitude and last climb rate so I am assuming that many times the lock is lost as the glider leaves the thermal. Sometimes the dot is not in the same place as the thermal track but when flying to it and zooming in you will find it.

thanks,

Richard

On Saturday, December 22, 2012 1:07:56 PM UTC-8, Ramy wrote:
On Friday, December 21, 2012 12:44:19 PM UTC-8, Richard wrote: On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:58:53 PM UTC-8, glen wrote: On Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:42:27 PM UTC-5, SteveB_Z5 wrote: I'm thinking about getting a Power Flarm brick. What do users think of the display? Sun and shade readability? Thanks, Steve How is the Flarm display on a PDA using See You or the Ilec SN 10 display. Glen, SeeYou Mobile displays PowerFlarm and ADS-B targets as smaller gliders, with climb rate and altitude. When you lose Flarm lock a dot remains for the time you specify on the setup page. One can fly to the dot and zoom into the thermal track. You can color by altitude or make the glider larger or smaller. Warnings are white box across the top and the lady alerts you of traffic. "Traffic 5 oclock 50 feet low". Richard www.craggyaero.com Richard, how well the flarm track features works in your experience? Does it really capable of providing a thermal track, giving that the signal gets frequent drops when thermaling? Ramy

Ramy,

I don't think you necessiliary lose a lock when thermaling, you just don't get alerts. I really don't remember ever seeing the dot during thermalling only the gliders. Mostly I would see the Dots out 4 to 6 nautical miles, when they get out of range. Other times you just see the gliders circling.

Richard
www.craggyaero.com