report runway incursion non-towered airport?

The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet.

Hmmm. Must be a rash of Citation-itis. On Thursday I had a similar thing
happen, in Muscatine, IA .

The wind was calm, but had recently favored Rwy 24 -- so that's the runway
we chose. (I believe it's the calm-wind runway of choice in MUT as well.)

I had just finished my run-up, and had announced that I was taking the
runway for departure when a Citation pilot announced that HE was departing
on the reciprocal runway, Rwy 06! In fact, squinting into the sun I could
see that he was already sitting on the runway, facing me, way down at the
other end, over a mile away.

He had never said "boo" until that point, and his radio transmissions were
VERY weak. Dunno if he was having trouble with the radio, or whether he
simply hadn't announced, but there we sat on the runway, like opposing cars
in a demolition derby.

He then somewhat sheepishly asked if I would mind letting him go first, as
he had a clearance delivery time he had to meet. Not being in any
particular hurry, I rolled back onto the taxiway, but it was a very
unusual -- and potentially disastrous -- situation that ended well.

All I can say is: I'm glad *I* announced.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay -
Were other people on Unicom/CTAF? Was the cessna the exception?
Maybe your radio was tuned wrong? I doubt you want to play Mr. FAA but
if you have others with you on this, you might have a stronger case.
Is there a FAR that states Part 135 have standardized CTAF or could
they claim "oh, it's an uncontrolled field. I can do anything including
shutting off the radios in my $18 million spam-can smashing jet."
Generally, on approaches into uncontrolled airports, I'll make
regular radio calls. At times it gets busy as hell and I might skip
one or even two. Pre-departure the workload is a LOT less so not
making radio calls is kind of silly.

I still remember on my PPL checkride on 12/17/03, everyone
and their mother was out flying. I had a C182 position and hold when
I was on a 2 mile final for the simulated engine out. I was just about
to go around and cancel/postpone that section of it when the guy started
rolling. Uncontrolled airports really scare me. I'd rather have
"the voice of god" commanding aircraft around.

Gerald

"G. Sylvester" wrote:

Uncontrolled airports really scare me. I'd rather have
"the voice of god" commanding aircraft around.

Too bad that doesn't work. The recent mid-airs in the US occurred at
towered airports. You really should be scared of class D airports.


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"Peter R." wrote:

Too bad that doesn't work.

This should read: "Too bad that doesn't *always* work."

It obviously works most of the time.

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I'm flabbergasted at how many of these comments refer to not following
the radio procedures. Yes the Citation should have called, but most
important is that he didn't look.

You really should be scared of class D airports.

Totally agree. I'll take uncontrolled over non-radar Class Delta, any day.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:HJFUd.12332$r55.8014@attbi_s52...

You really should be scared of class D airports.


Totally agree. I'll take uncontrolled over non-radar Class Delta, any
day.


Do you think the problem is the tower, or the fact that they tend to have
more traffic?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:HJFUd.12332$r55.8014@attbi_s52...
You really should be scared of class D airports.

Totally agree. I'll take uncontrolled over non-radar Class Delta, any
day.

Really? All that money spent on controllers is wasted?

At least in class D, everyone is *supposed* to be on the radio, although
of course vigilance is always necessary. I think what you are really
saying is that danger goes up as the traffic density increases, and class D
tends to be busier than uncontrolled fields. I'd take a class D early in the
morning when no one is around any day!

Tony (not the same person as Avweb reported today as facing the clink
for falsifying his pilot certificate application!)

Were other people on Unicom/CTAF? Was the cessna the exception?
Maybe your radio was tuned wrong? I doubt you want to play Mr. FAA but
if you have others with you on this, you might have a stronger case.

Whoa, pardner. I'm not the one talking about reporting this guy for a
runway incursion.

I've flown long enough to make dumb mistakes, too. I figure our
Citation-jockey was getting his IFR clearance, didn't see (or hear) me until
the last second (I couldn't see him with the setting sun), and that's that.

It could have been disastrous, but wasn't -- because the system ultimately
worked.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
...

Me: 240 hr PP-ASEL, minding my own business, doing touch & goes at an
untowered field, and scrupulously calling my position in every leg of the
pattern.

The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet.

I saw the Citation taxiing toward the active as I was downwind. I watched
the plane carefully (suspiciously) as there was never any transmission on
the CTAF frequency. I listened to departure on my second radio; he/she
wasn't on that frequency either. When I turned base, the Citation was at
the hold short line adjacent to the active threshold. As I was on 1/4 to
1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the
takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a
360, landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee.

Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an
aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say
"boo" before taking an active runway?


A runway incursion is "any occurrence in the airport runway environment
involving an aircraft, vehicle, person, or object on the ground that creates
a collision hazard or results in a loss of required separation with an
aircraft taking off, intending to take off, landing, or intending to land."
It's a non-towered field so there's no separation requirement. Was there a
genuine collision hazard? Would you have collided had you not done the 360?