death of GA in NY

How much money do you think we have paid to bail out TWA, Continental,
United etc...?

On 12 Sep 2005 12:01:18 -0700, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote in . com::

How much money do you think we have paid to bail out TWA, Continental,
United etc...?

Oh, you mean like federalizing the security screeners, and paying
billions to the families of 9/11 victims in exchange for their
forfeiting their right to sue the airlines, or the direct subsidies?

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Larry Dighera wrote:
How much money do you think we have paid to bail out TWA, Continental,
United etc...?

Oh, you mean like federalizing the security screeners, and paying
billions to the families of 9/11 victims in exchange for their
forfeiting their right to sue the airlines, or the direct subsidies?

No, he probably means the huge "get out of jail free" fund that the
federal government made available to companies that are so mismanaged
that they have no business being in business.



JKG

Skylune wrote:
Probably just the useless, recreational form of GA is dying for economic
reasons. And this is before the user fees are enacted! Outstanding!

Part of the reason that user fees are inevitable is because commercial
aviation is tired of subsidizing small planes.

Yeah, yeah. And motorists are tired of 'subsidizing' bicyclists. City
dwellers are tired of 'subsidizing' the national parks. Small
businesses are tired of 'subsidizing' giant corporations, who believe
they are 'subsidizing' the small buinesses. And we are all tired of
'subsidizing' the farmers.

Get a clue. Everyone pays taxes. The method of collecting taxes is
meaningless. It all goes into one big pot anyway. No one is
'subsidizing' anyone else. Just because the government, in its infinite
mercy, chooses to let you keep some small part of your own money does
not mean that you are subsidizing anyone. Be sure that they are getting
their share, well, more than their share, actually, of your hide from
somewhere else.

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The slow death of GA is in acceleration in the NY area. TEB FBO's moving
out pushing the feeding chain down. FBO's now requiring TSA clearance
even for renters (not just trainees as required by law; since when did
FBO's become worse than homeland security?).

FBO's outside of TEB losing students by the dozens due to fuel and the 3rd
price hike in less than a month.

Nice going everyone. I always thought what would finally kill GA would be
the media or anti airport sentiment; not FBO's. There is not one that I
would recommend within 25 miles of new york city.

And .. if you respond and defend an FBO here I can only wonder why.


I know you think the world revolves around NY, but there are many more
airfields and airplanes outside the NYC area that will continue, dispite any
cease in GA around the big apple.

Since I rarely ever even file a flight plan, I'm not too concerned about
user fees either.

Read the "Fuel Price Affect" (sic) posted on the AOPA member board (easy to
hack into their site if you are not a member; I-pilot is a bit tougher,
but doable): Rising AV gas prices are definitely having an "affect."

I don't think fuel prices will have a permanant effect. How many gallons of
fuel could you buy for the same as a new Skyhawk on 1970? How about now?

I would guess that consumption in every recreational activity that burns
petrolium fuel is is down. How much gas did you burn in those twin 350s this
weekend? It looked to me that boating was way off this weekend.

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Read the "Fuel Price Affect" (sic) posted on the AOPA member board (easy
to
hack into their site if you are not a member; I-pilot is a bit tougher,
but doable): Rising AV gas prices are definitely having an "affect."

Given the clear weather and the (odd) northeasterly wind, I travelled a bit
farther out of the Peconic than I normally would have. Got some shelter
around Southhold bay, about 8 nm from the marina. Total travel time, each
way, about 25 minutes. So, say about an hour of travel time, at about 15
gph. We spent about 6 hours on the water, and several more at the dock.

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outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Given the clear weather and the (odd) northeasterly wind, I travelled a bit
farther out of the Peconic than I normally would have. Got some shelter
around Southhold bay, about 8 nm from the marina. Total travel time, each
way, about 25 minutes. So, say about an hour of travel time, at about 15
gph. We spent about 6 hours on the water, and several more at the dock.


I forgot to include boaters and their marinas and Coast Guard protection
to my list of "subsidies of recreational activities."

Get a clue, "Skylune," you hypocrite!

I think your travel time was more than one hour. Cow Hampshire to Lon
Gisland is a heck of a drive. You should take up flying


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Given the clear weather and the (odd) northeasterly wind, I travelled a
bit
farther out of the Peconic than I normally would have. Got some shelter
around Southhold bay, about 8 nm from the marina. Total travel time, each
way, about 25 minutes. So, say about an hour of travel time, at about 15
gph. We spent about 6 hours on the water, and several more at the dock.