Bird strike(s)

That's how we got rid of the Canada Geese at one of our small airports
near here. You get permission from your state, which ours readily gave,
then you harass the hell out of them. You kill some, you bother the
rest. Took a couple of weeks and haven't seen them since.



sfb wrote:

What idea? I've seen Canadian Geese get knocked off their feet by a golf
ball, roll-over, get up, and continue to eat and crap.

"Newps" wrote in message

Start shooting. They'll get the idea.

Right, there are guys with dogs that given permission of the state will
harass the geese until they leave. Shooting at the geese doesn't do it.

"Newps" wrote in message
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That's how we got rid of the Canada Geese at one of our small airports
near here. You get permission from your state, which ours readily
gave, then you harass the hell out of them. You kill some, you bother
the rest. Took a couple of weeks and haven't seen them since.



sfb wrote:

What idea? I've seen Canadian Geese get knocked off their feet by a
golf ball, roll-over, get up, and continue to eat and crap.

"Newps" wrote in message

Start shooting. They'll get the idea.

Years ago, Hanscom Field in Bedford, MA employed jeeps to disperse the
Canada geese.


sfb wrote:
Right, there are guys with dogs that given permission of the state will
harass the geese until they leave. Shooting at the geese doesn't do it.

"Newps" wrote in message
. ..

That's how we got rid of the Canada Geese at one of our small airports
near here. You get permission from your state, which ours readily
gave, then you harass the hell out of them. You kill some, you bother
the rest. Took a couple of weeks and haven't seen them since.



sfb wrote:


What idea? I've seen Canadian Geese get knocked off their feet by a
golf ball, roll-over, get up, and continue to eat and crap.

"Newps" wrote in message


Start shooting. They'll get the idea.

sfb wrote:

Right, there are guys with dogs that given permission of the state will
harass the geese until they leave.

Border collies do the best job of this, once you convince them that that's what
they're supposed to do.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Well..... watch for them, ours just left Thursday, about 10 PM, last
seen heading 225, 25 knts and climbing......

And the local dogs have learned to leave them alone... the hard way..


Dave

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:53:09 GMT, "sfb" wrote:

Right, there are guys with dogs that given permission of the state will
harass the geese until they leave. Shooting at the geese doesn't do it.

"Newps" wrote in message
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That's how we got rid of the Canada Geese at one of our small airports
near here. You get permission from your state, which ours readily
gave, then you harass the hell out of them. You kill some, you bother
the rest. Took a couple of weeks and haven't seen them since.



sfb wrote:

What idea? I've seen Canadian Geese get knocked off their feet by a
golf ball, roll-over, get up, and continue to eat and crap.

"Newps" wrote in message

Start shooting. They'll get the idea.

They even authorize these 'hunts' in a bird sanctuary:

http://www.alpena.mi.us/newsreleases...unt%202004.pdf


"Newps" wrote in message . ..
That's how we got rid of the Canada Geese at one of our small airports near here. You get permission from your state,
which ours readily gave, then you harass the hell out of them. You kill some, you bother the rest. Took a couple of
weeks and haven't seen them since.



sfb wrote:

What idea? I've seen Canadian Geese get knocked off their feet by a golf ball, roll-over, get up, and continue to eat
and crap.

"Newps" wrote in message

Start shooting. They'll get the idea.

Here are links to bird strike avoidance advices and information

https://www.avemco.com/briefingroom/birdstrikes.asp
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Ae...dAvoidance.htm
http://www.int-birdstrike.com/links.html
http://www.geoinsight.com/Projects/USAF/Academy/BAM.cfm

Hai Longworth

In article rVHbf.520936$x96.436058@attbi_s72,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:



Anyone ever hit a bird?

Took a seagull in the upper left corner of the windshief on a Cessna
150. Very loud noise, no damage.

Flew the 182 right through a flock of geese. No solid impact but felt
the yoke "pulse". Blood and feathers at the top of both wing struts,
big blood streak across top of stab and elevator. No damage.

Took what I think was a grouse to the nose turret on the B-24. Big
thump and some "stuff" flew by my window. No damage, just had to scrape
feathers and "stuff" off the turret.

I saw a hole that was punched in the leading edge of the stab of a 737
by a duck.

I use my landing light inflight (supposed to help with birds) and keep a
sharp eye out for them taking evasive action if needed.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:rVHbf.520936

Hitting a Canada Goose exerts the same force as dropping a 1000 pound
weight 10 feet.

Probably a good deal worse. Consider Atlas sitting still, and a 10lb goose
hitting your windshield at 125 kt.


Anyone ever hit a bird? Anyone got a good bird avoidance plan they'd care
to share?

All some time ago: 1. returning LGA-EWB w/ 1 pax late evening in a c402
at 7500 ft, about 170 kt, iirc. Terrifically loud boom, like a gunshot,
woke us both up bg. No damage, but some light smearing near the top of
the windshield. Windshield on 402 is quite slanted.

2. Landing EWB in a 402, had a flock of gulls rise up and cross my path
right to left just as i was flaring (about 80kt). heard and felt several
loud, solid thumps. later counted eight impact points, five on the stbd
wing leading edge. required replacement of leading edge assy. got a note
from the owner in my next paycheck lambasting me, insisting that birdstrikes
are "pilot error", and we must give the gulls right-of-way. I still have
the note.

3. a good friend at the same commuter took off one day EWB-LGA in a
Bandierante and caught a gull just on the top of the nose assy just after
t/o. the bird slid up the nose and snagged and eviscerated itself on the
Cpt windshield wiper assy. Nice view all the way to NYC.

Never had a strike I was aware of in transports.

You can be cautious, and try to avoid or observe areas with known bird
problems, but in my opinion, unless you are well trained and skilled at
judging relative speed and motion of two moving bodies, trying to take
evasive action can be more dangerous than the strike itself.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:31:56 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:



You can be cautious, and try to avoid or observe areas with known bird
problems, but in my opinion, unless you are well trained and skilled at
judging relative speed and motion of two moving bodies, trying to take
evasive action can be more dangerous than the strike itself.

I agree - I'm always amazed at how difficult it is to judge closing
speeds and relative positions with soaring hawks - they change
direction and altitude so quickly with no visual clues.

However, you probably can't depend on the bird to take appropriate
evasive action. Birds evolved flying skills and maneuvers that didn't
have to deal with anything like an airplane. Kind of like hitting a
mammal with your car - you can't really expect that the
deer/raccoon/skunk etc. will be smart enough to avoid your 60 MPH
vehicle. I suspect the reason number of bird strikes is so low is
mainly because the big sky theory is at work to protect us 99.9% of
the time.


Michael