More on Cessna's new "Cirrus Killer"

Dan Luke wrote:
Picture a 210-sized single with the best features of a Cardinal:
windshield ahead of the wing, big doors, low entry threshold, wide
cabin.


you mean something like this?

http://www.extraaircraft.com/ea500.asp

--Sylvain

"Sylvain" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:
Picture a 210-sized single with the best features of a Cardinal:
windshield ahead of the wing, big doors, low entry threshold, wide
cabin.


you mean something like this?

http://www.extraaircraft.com/ea500.asp

I helped push the Extra (400?) out on the flight line 3 years ago at OSH,
when it was just being released. My impression was that it was ugly, and
really, really heavy. It is no surprise to me that they added a turboprop
to it.
--
Jim in NC

"Sylvain" wrote:

Picture a 210-sized single with the best features of a Cardinal:
windshield ahead of the wing, big doors, low entry threshold, wide
cabin.


you mean something like this?

http://www.extraaircraft.com/ea500.asp

Let's hope not--what a big, ugly slug that thing is!

Also, the Cessna will not be a retract.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

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"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote:

I bet it will look surprisingly like a Cardinal with its already
aggressively-swept windshield. I wonder if they will incorporate a BRS chute
to take away one of Cirrus' main selling points.

Marco Leon

God, I HOPE not! IMHO, a BRS is more liability than asset, with
recurring (expensive maintenance, the ongoing hazard of pyrotechnics,
etc.

Also, remember that the reason FAA finally prohibited flare
installations is that there were too many mishaps with flares (hangar
fires, burned mechanics, etc.) that the risks outweighed the benefits.




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oups.com...
Read Thursday morning on AvWeb

AVweb has learned that those in attendance at a recent Cessna dealer's
meeting were encouraged to pore over Columbia and Cirrus aircraft -- but
also were introduced to renderings of what could become Cessna's new
aircraft. We're told attendees learned that the aircraft's basic design
would incorporate a strutless high-wing planform built of composite
material. Attendees were told the craft would be pulled by a 350-hp
powerplant with speed, comfort and ... speed ... as high priorities.
Rear-door entry was included in the design, as was fixed gear -- which would
cut down on complexity and cater to the aerodynamic reality that, while at
cruising altitudes, retractable gear offers precious little advantage over
properly faired fixed gear. Plus, fixed gear generally incurs lower
maintenance, insurance, production cost and weight penalties.

Interesting, wonder how fast it'll go? No real surprise about including
fixed gear though.




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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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God, I HOPE not! IMHO, a BRS is more liability than asset, with
recurring (expensive maintenance, the ongoing hazard of pyrotechnics,
etc.

Apparently it's been very good for the aircraft's public perception of
safety. Also, there are more than a handful of pilots that have used the
chute "in anger" who will beg to differ with you.

From a marketing perspective, incorporating the BRS system will seriously
curtail Cirrus' differentiation strategy.

Marco Leon





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But where is there a singe valid report of such an incident in any BRS
system . . . anywhere? Not just the Cirrus community but in the
ultralight community . . .

John

John wrote:

But where is there a singe valid report of such an incident in any BRS
system . . . anywhere? Not just the Cirrus community but in the
ultralight community . . .

The pyrotechnique of the BRS is pretty much comparable to that of the
airbags in cars. Lots of accidents with them! (irony)

Stefan

"Stefan" wrote in message
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John wrote:

But where is there a singe valid report of such an incident in any BRS
system . . . anywhere? Not just the Cirrus community but in the
ultralight community . . .

The pyrotechnique of the BRS is pretty much comparable to that of the
airbags in cars. Lots of accidents with them! (irony)

Cites? I agree that a chute is near-useless as a safety device. There are
better ways to spend the money. Especially for the sport pilot. Spending
the equivalent amount on recurring training comes to mind. But, it's *such*
a pax pacifier. Nothing but a stiff martini and a tranquilizer beats it. I
suspect that it also makes pilots prone to anxiety (panic) attacks less
likely to experience them. I'm presently buying an ultralight (Challenger
582). I'm getting a parachute about 99.9% for pax comfort. As stated
above, I can think of many other safety-related things the same amount could
be spent on (and is - sigh). But almost every non-pilot pax I know is in
love with the idea. Reality is often like that.

moo

I'm with you... beyond the maintenance issues I think most people forget
that the reason the Cirrus came with a chute was because it couldn't pass
spin certification so in order to be certificated it had to be made with the
chute - at least that's what I've heard....

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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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I'm with you... beyond the maintenance issues I think most people forget
that the reason the Cirrus came with a chute was because it couldn't pass
spin certification so in order to be certificated it had to be made with
the chute - at least that's what I've heard....


Couldn't pass or didn't try?

Just curious.

KB