FAA regulates competition

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:41:10 -0600, "Dan Luke"
wrote in
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But the fact is that the FAA has virtually unchecked power
over your aviation activities and enforcess arcane, often nonsensical
regulatons according to the whims of non-accountable bureaucrats.

Actually, FAA bureaucrats must abide by the same regulations and
orders that govern airman activities. Additionally, their actions are
transparent through the use of Freedom Of Information Act requests,
and district personnel are accountable to regional personnel.

Justice under FAA rule is all a matter of understanding the FAA
organizational structure, regulations, orders, Advisory Circulars, and
politics involved. And keep in mind at all times, that no bureaucrat
wants to have to do more (paper) work than necessary.

If you do not treat such an organization as a danger to be avoided,
you are simply asking for trouble.

What experiences have you had that caused you to form such a cynical
opinion of the FAA?

All Federal agencies reflect a society and the Congress that is no
longer willing to accept any risks no matter how improbable.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"NW_PILOT" wrote:

FAA is not that bad! I have never had a problem with them & they can
be very
helpful when you have questions.

No doubt. But the fact is that the FAA has virtually unchecked power
over your aviation activities and enforcess arcane, often nonsensical
regulatons according to the whims of non-accountable bureaucrats. If
you do not treat such an organization as a danger to be avoided, you
are simply asking for trouble.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Well, as a practicing physician and pilot, local pilots kept asking if
I could do their flight physical as they couldn't get a doctor in the
area... So I applied...
Don't need any right now was the answer, check back in a year or two...
This went on for awhile... Knowing the local AME's and knowing that
only one was actively doing physicals at that time, and only on a part
time basis, I again charged the bureaucracy walls pointing out that out
of 4 AME's in the area one AME was in his 90's, another was retired,
and the third was deployed in the military...
"Oh, have you applied to us?"
"Yes, several times.."
"When?"
"Well, the last time was about three or four years ago."
"Oh, we moved our office two years ago and there is no record of your
application."
"I see. I will submit another application."

I did and after some months I got a letter that stated that they had no
openings... Three months later they appointed a new AME, not me... I
got the message and quit applying...

denny

denny

On 19 Nov 2005 09:30:40 -0800, "Denny" wrote in
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Well, as a practicing physician and pilot, local pilots kept asking if
I could do their flight physical as they couldn't get a doctor in the
area... So I applied...
Don't need any right now was the answer, check back in a year or two...
This went on for awhile... Knowing the local AME's and knowing that
only one was actively doing physicals at that time, and only on a part
time basis, I again charged the bureaucracy walls pointing out that out
of 4 AME's in the area one AME was in his 90's, another was retired,
and the third was deployed in the military...
"Oh, have you applied to us?"
"Yes, several times.."
"When?"
"Well, the last time was about three or four years ago."
"Oh, we moved our office two years ago and there is no record of your
application."
"I see. I will submit another application."

Three months later they appointed a new AME, not me... I
got the message and quit applying...

Are you aware of the criteria the FAA are required to meet in
selecting AMEs? Surely there must be a written document governing the
practice. Perhaps that would be something AOPA could put their hands
on.

"Larry Dighera" wrote:

But the fact is that the FAA has virtually unchecked power
over your aviation activities and enforcess arcane, often nonsensical
regulatons according to the whims of non-accountable bureaucrats.

Actually, FAA bureaucrats must abide by the same regulations and
orders that govern airman activities.

But who has the enforcment power and what are the limits of the airman's
rights to appeal?

Additionally, their actions are
transparent through the use of Freedom Of Information Act requests,
and district personnel are accountable to regional personnel.

Justice under FAA rule is all a matter of understanding the FAA
organizational structure, regulations, orders, Advisory Circulars, and
politics involved.

Yes, in some cases a very persistent victim may expose FAA persecution
and malfeasance; it's been done. But it's still a case of "you might
beat the rap but you won't beat the ride." If an inspector decides to
get you, he can choose from the entire FAR's to make your life
miserable--or put you out of business.

And keep in mind at all times, that no bureaucrat
wants to have to do more (paper) work than necessary.

Bureacrats have to justify their existence.

If you do not treat such an organization as a danger to be avoided,
you are simply asking for trouble.

What experiences have you had that caused you to form such a cynical
opinion of the FAA?

I have had none, directly, as I avoid the FAA as I would the plague.
One of my friends has had a bad experience, though: he was grounded at
an airport away from home because an inspector said his airplane's tail
number was painted in an "insufficiently contrasting color." It was a
factory paint job. My stories of other FAA misbehaviors are third hand,
so I will not repeat them, although I trust the proximate sources. I'm
sure you are aware of some of the more notorious ones, yourself.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote

One of my friends has had a bad experience, though: he was grounded at
an airport away from home because an inspector said his airplane's tail
number was painted in an "insufficiently contrasting color."

A roll of black duct tape, and a knife would have fixed that problem.
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:02:42 -0600, "Dan Luke"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote:

But the fact is that the FAA has virtually unchecked power
over your aviation activities and enforcess arcane, often nonsensical
regulatons according to the whims of non-accountable bureaucrats.

Actually, FAA bureaucrats must abide by the same regulations and
orders that govern airman activities.

But who has the enforcment power and what are the limits of the airman's
rights to appeal?

If an airman is in violation of regulations, the FAA must initiate
enforcement action. If not, the FAA has no enforcement power.

Additionally, their actions are
transparent through the use of Freedom Of Information Act requests,
and district personnel are accountable to regional personnel.

Justice under FAA rule is all a matter of understanding the FAA
organizational structure, regulations, orders, Advisory Circulars, and
politics involved.

Yes, in some cases a very persistent victim may expose FAA persecution
and malfeasance; it's been done.

I have no knowledge of FAA persecution nor malfeasance. Are you
referring to Hoovergate?

But it's still a case of "you might beat the rap but you won't beat the ride."

Such is the nature of "justice" in the US.

If an inspector decides to get you, he can choose from the entire
FAR's to make your life miserable--or put you out of business.

If you are able to prove your innocence, the FAA is powerless. If you
can show groundless persecution by an FAA inspector, you can start
your own enforcement action. I see no inequity there.

And keep in mind at all times, that no bureaucrat
wants to have to do more (paper) work than necessary.

Bureacrats have to justify their existence.

Do they? Can you provide evidence of an FAA quota system?

If you do not treat such an organization as a danger to be avoided,
you are simply asking for trouble.

What experiences have you had that caused you to form such a cynical
opinion of the FAA?

I have had none, directly, as I avoid the FAA as I would the plague.
One of my friends has had a bad experience, though: he was grounded at
an airport away from home because an inspector said his airplane's tail
number was painted in an "insufficiently contrasting color."

How did the FAA "ground" your friend? What provoked the FAA action?
Was it the result of a normal ramp check?

It was a factory paint job.

What prevented your friend from using a roll of duct tape (as another
poster suggested) to satisfy the lack of sufficient contrast? Did the
inspector cite an FAR or AC that detailed the required contrast?

My stories of other FAA misbehaviors are third hand,
so I will not repeat them, although I trust the proximate sources. I'm
sure you are aware of some of the more notorious ones, yourself.

I guess I haven't had enough experience with FAA inspectors to form an
opinion, but the dealings with FAA staff that I have experienced
seemed very professional, far more so than the municipal LEOs I've
encountered.

If you are able to prove your innocence, the FAA is powerless.

The concept in the United States is that =they= are supposed to prove
your =guilt=. You are not supposed to have to prove your innocence.

Granted that applies only in criminal trials, but the idea should apply
to all of government.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:50:08 GMT, Jose
wrote in ::


The concept in the United States is that =they= are supposed to prove
your =guilt=. You are not supposed to have to prove your innocence.

Granted that applies only in criminal trials, but the idea should apply
to all of government.

I agree, but without specific examples of alleged FAA inspector abuse
of power to discuss, it's difficult to argue the point.

I agree, but without specific examples of alleged FAA inspector abuse
of power to discuss, it's difficult to argue the point.

I agree, but you were the one that brought up the idea of having to
prove one's innocence. One should never have to prove one's innocence
to the FAA, or to any government agency. Just the =idea= that that
might be necessary gives them unwarranted power.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.