Closing IFR flight plan at uncontrolled field

I have done so on several instances. Sometimes, when there
is traffic, ATC has advised that I should notify the
aircraft that is holding awaiting clearance to relay time on
the ground and cancellation. This may be different in
different center areas, don't know about New England or
California areas, but it is often done in Kansas and
Oklahoma.


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"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
| Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
| If possible, you can also have an overflying a/c relay a
cancellation to
| ATC.
|
| Have you actually done that? It's my understanding that
ATC won't accept
| an IFR cancellation via an aircraft relay.

I had ATC request that I do exactly that in Northern Minnesota this
summer for another aircraft that landed. I called him on 122.8,
confirmed that he was on the ground, and informed ATC who closed his
flight plan.

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:09:20 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:
If possible, you can also have an overflying a/c relay a cancellation to
ATC.

Have you actually done that? It's my understanding that ATC won't accept
an IFR cancellation via an aircraft relay.

I haven't done it recently -- not for the past three or four years.
However, I have done so in the past (just once or twice) and I've been on
both sides of the relay -- once I was the a/c waiting for the cancellation
so I could get in.

Maybe it's controller/location specific.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Roy Smith wrote:
Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

If possible, you can also have an overflying a/c relay a cancellation to
ATC.


Have you actually done that? It's my understanding that ATC won't accept
an IFR cancellation via an aircraft relay.


I did this just a few weeks ago, as I was next in line for the approach, the
aircraft on the ground was unable to raise ATC on the radio, and I relayed the
cancellation and was immediately cleared for the approach.

Well, "immediately" is relative. There was a sort of three-way handshake to
verify the cancellation.

Something like:
Me: ATC, Nxxx is trying to call you to cancel IFR.
ATC: Verify you're relaying for Nxxx trying to cancel IFR.
Me: yes
ATC: Please call Nxxx and ask them to verify cancelling IFR.
Me. Nxxx, please verify for ATC that you wish to cancel IFR.
Nxxx: Affirmative cancelling IFR.
Me. ATC, Nxxx confirms cancelling IFR.
ATC: Advise Nxxx cancellation received.
Me; Nxxx, ATC advises cancellation received.
Nxxx: Thank you.
ATC: Nyyy cleared RNAV rwy 21 approach...

Dave Butler wrote:

Well, "immediately" is relative. There was a sort of three-way handshake to
verify the cancellation.

Something like:
Me: ATC, Nxxx is trying to call you to cancel IFR.
ATC: Verify you're relaying for Nxxx trying to cancel IFR.
Me: yes
ATC: Please call Nxxx and ask them to verify cancelling IFR.
Me. Nxxx, please verify for ATC that you wish to cancel IFR.
Nxxx: Affirmative cancelling IFR.
Me. ATC, Nxxx confirms cancelling IFR.
ATC: Advise Nxxx cancellation received.
Me; Nxxx, ATC advises cancellation received.
Nxxx: Thank you.
ATC: Nyyy cleared RNAV rwy 21 approach...

This sort of CYA makes sense for everyone involved.

--
Peter

Another situation is while you are waiting to depart on IFR
clearance and being held for approach / landing traffic. Last
summer when I called ready to depart at Destin, FL, approach
told me to hold for release becuse of landing IFR traffic on an approach
to the airport. He called me back in a minute and gave me an update,
"Lear on approach now 2 miles striaght-in runway xxx". I advised I
had the traffic in sight and the controller asked me to report when
the Lear's wheels touched the runway. I did and he immediately released
me, even before the Lear turned off the runway.

Ronnie

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
news:1139238235.265085@sj-nntpcache-5...
Roy Smith wrote:
Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

If possible, you can also have an overflying a/c relay a cancellation to
ATC.


Have you actually done that? It's my understanding that ATC won't accept
an IFR cancellation via an aircraft relay.


I did this just a few weeks ago, as I was next in line for the approach,
the aircraft on the ground was unable to raise ATC on the radio, and I
relayed the cancellation and was immediately cleared for the approach.

Well, "immediately" is relative. There was a sort of three-way handshake
to verify the cancellation.

Something like:
Me: ATC, Nxxx is trying to call you to cancel IFR.
ATC: Verify you're relaying for Nxxx trying to cancel IFR.
Me: yes
ATC: Please call Nxxx and ask them to verify cancelling IFR.
Me. Nxxx, please verify for ATC that you wish to cancel IFR.
Nxxx: Affirmative cancelling IFR.
Me. ATC, Nxxx confirms cancelling IFR.
ATC: Advise Nxxx cancellation received.
Me; Nxxx, ATC advises cancellation received.
Nxxx: Thank you.
ATC: Nyyy cleared RNAV rwy 21 approach...

Back when I was newly instrument-rated, I was so excited about having completed
my first ILS in IMC that I completely forgot about cancelling. As I taxied past
another airplane, I was still on the approach freq and I heard him call
approach, "...is that aircraft that I'm holding for N12345? He just taxiied past
me". I sheepishly 'fessed up and cancelled. DGB

Ronnie wrote:
Another situation is while you are waiting to depart on IFR
clearance and being held for approach / landing traffic. Last
summer when I called ready to depart at Destin, FL, approach
told me to hold for release becuse of landing IFR traffic on an approach
to the airport. He called me back in a minute and gave me an update,
"Lear on approach now 2 miles striaght-in runway xxx". I advised I
had the traffic in sight and the controller asked me to report when
the Lear's wheels touched the runway. I did and he immediately released
me, even before the Lear turned off the runway.

Ronnie

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
news:1139238235.265085@sj-nntpcache-5...

Roy Smith wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:


If possible, you can also have an overflying a/c relay a cancellation to
ATC.


Have you actually done that? It's my understanding that ATC won't accept
an IFR cancellation via an aircraft relay.


I did this just a few weeks ago, as I was next in line for the approach,
the aircraft on the ground was unable to raise ATC on the radio, and I
relayed the cancellation and was immediately cleared for the approach.

Well, "immediately" is relative. There was a sort of three-way handshake
to verify the cancellation.

Something like:
Me: ATC, Nxxx is trying to call you to cancel IFR.
ATC: Verify you're relaying for Nxxx trying to cancel IFR.
Me: yes
ATC: Please call Nxxx and ask them to verify cancelling IFR.
Me. Nxxx, please verify for ATC that you wish to cancel IFR.
Nxxx: Affirmative cancelling IFR.
Me. ATC, Nxxx confirms cancelling IFR.
ATC: Advise Nxxx cancellation received.
Me; Nxxx, ATC advises cancellation received.
Nxxx: Thank you.
ATC: Nyyy cleared RNAV rwy 21 approach...





--
Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367

paul kgyy wrote:

If you want to maintain IFR status until you're on the ground at an
uncontrolled field, who do you call when you're on the ground, assuming
there's no remote ARTCC radio facility within reach?

FSS?


That'll work as will calling pretty much any ATC facility.


Matt