Victor Airways in Clearance

The 430/530 are 129a boxes and the FAA dictated much of the functionality.

Mike
MU-2


"Wyatt Emmerich" wrote in message
...
I fly with a Garmin 530. Great box, but I cannot for the life of me
understand why they would fail to include Victor Airways. Anyway, I often
get a clearance such as 210BA cleared to Yodoo, Clear City, Victor 245,
Bogur.

Now if I program the Garmin 530 for Yodoo, Clear City, Bogur, 19 times our
of 20 I'm fine. ATC was just throwing in the Victor 245 for--I don't
know--clarification? However, one in 20 times there's a kink in the airway
and I'll screw up if I don't check the low altitude chart.

So instead of simply programming the Garmin 530 with the waypoints, I've
got
to unfold the chart, figure out where the heck I am on it and make sure
Victor 245 doesn't have a bend in the road. In real IMC involves a lot of
looking down and head movement when I would rather be focused on my scan.

My point being: It would be a heck of a lot easier for Garmin 530 users if
ATC would dispense with the airway part of the clearance and just route us
base on waypoints.

Wyatt Emmerich ) wrote:

I fly with a Garmin 530. Great box, but I cannot for the life of me
understand why they would fail to include Victor Airways. Anyway, I often
get a clearance such as 210BA cleared to Yodoo, Clear City, Victor 245,
Bogur.

The Bendix King KLN94 also has to be programmed using waypoint instead of
airways. That's why I always have my low altitude instrument chart
unfolded in front of me after receiving the clearance.

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Peter












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"Wyatt Emmerich" wrote in message
...
|
| My point being: It would be a heck of a lot easier for Garmin 530 users if
| ATC would dispense with the airway part of the clearance and just route us
| base on waypoints.

It would be even easier if some genius would put the airways into the
database so you could program the GPS just the way the clearance was given.

it would be easier if by using a data link that ATC could just punch a button on
their computer and it would load into your flight plan into your GPS.

now there is a good invention for some brainyack to invent.

C J Campbell wrote:

"Wyatt Emmerich" wrote in message
...
|
| My point being: It would be a heck of a lot easier for Garmin 530 users if
| ATC would dispense with the airway part of the clearance and just route us
| base on waypoints.

It would be even easier if some genius would put the airways into the
database so you could program the GPS just the way the clearance was given.

Jeff ) wrote:

it would be easier if by using a data link that ATC could just punch a
button on their computer and it would load into your flight plan into
your GPS.

now there is a good invention for some brainyack to invent.

Could you just imagine how many years something like this would take to get
certified?

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Peter












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"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Jeff ) wrote:

it would be easier if by using a data link that ATC could just punch a
button on their computer and it would load into your flight plan into
your GPS.

now there is a good invention for some brainyack to invent.

Could you just imagine how many years something like this would take to
get
certified?

Such a thing has been certified for years, it is the data link.

For GA, it is part of LAAS and in process.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Jeff ) wrote:

it would be easier if by using a data link that ATC could just punch a
button on their computer and it would load into your flight plan into
your GPS.

now there is a good invention for some brainyack to invent.

Could you just imagine how many years something like this would take to
get
certified?

Such a thing has been certified for years, it is the data link.

For GA, it is part of LAAS and in process.

Now if they could just send you your clearance that way instead of having to
write it down...

The point of ModeS and Datalink was for this, communication-less ATC.
That's where many of the mistakes occur, readback/hearback errors. First
heard about this at least 10 years ago. But the idea was a display/printout
of a clearance, not having that clearance go directly into the GPS/FMS.
Do we really want that? Maybe after accepting it, then pasting it over into
your flight plan.

As far as why ATC assigns airways to GPS equipped a/c, going to be that way
for a while still in non-radar areas. Also facilities with their Letters Of
Agreements specify proceduralized routes, some victor airways. Airways are
much easier to issue than a few VOR's and lots of intersections and
waypoints. This problem needs to be solved from the manufacturers.

Chris




"Jeff" wrote in message
...
it would be easier if by using a data link that ATC could just punch a
button on
their computer and it would load into your flight plan into your GPS.

now there is a good invention for some brainyack to invent.

C J Campbell wrote:

"Wyatt Emmerich" wrote in message
...
|
| My point being: It would be a heck of a lot easier for Garmin 530
users if
| ATC would dispense with the airway part of the clearance and just
route us
| base on waypoints.

It would be even easier if some genius would put the airways into the
database so you could program the GPS just the way the clearance was
given.

SeeAndAvoid wrote:

The point of ModeS and Datalink was for this, communication-less ATC.
That's where many of the mistakes occur, readback/hearback errors. First
heard about this at least 10 years ago. But the idea was a display/printout
of a clearance, not having that clearance go directly into the GPS/FMS.
Do we really want that? Maybe after accepting it, then pasting it over into
your flight plan.

The FAA had big plans for ATC communications datalinks dating back to the late
1960s.~

****now there is a good invention for some brainyack to invent.*****

We already do that on the Falcon 50EX


Karl