Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form

Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a banned
FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
condition requires treatment and the drug may have
side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll be
caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.

Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
friends of yours, so go ahead.



"Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
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| Grumman-581 wrote
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| On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
| , Sally
Grozmano wrote:
| It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do
lie, but I never
| hear of actual convictions.
|
| There's a fine line between not volunteering additional
information and
| actually lying... Or perhaps it's just not volunteering
information that
| the FAA has no way of finding out anyway... evil-grin
|
|
| Once one signs the bit that says, "I have completed this
to the best of my
| knowledge" (or whatever) it becomes lying. But anyway....
|
| I know that the FAA can actually find out about some
omissions, e.g. DUIs
| (because you also sign the bit that allows them to search
the driver
| registry) and the recent case where people were also
claiming SSI benefits.
| I'm just not so sure on stuff like prescriptions. If they
are controlled
| substances, they have to be on record with the DEA or
something, no? Non-
| controlled substances are known by one's insurance
company, but I am pretty
| sure those records are private.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a banned
FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
condition requires treatment and the drug may have
side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll be
caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.

Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
friends of yours, so go ahead.



"Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
. ..
| Grumman-581 wrote
in
|
news |
| On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
| , Sally
Grozmano wrote:
| It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots do
lie, but I never
| hear of actual convictions.

Y'all see you are talking to someone with a Washington DC IP address, right?

Allen

"Allen" wrote in
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a banned
FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
condition requires treatment and the drug may have
side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll be
caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.

Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
friends of yours, so go ahead.



Y'all see you are talking to someone with a Washington DC IP address,
right?

Allen


Implication being that I am some sort of government agent, I take it? I
know the FAA is inefficient, but paying someone to catch a pilot on Usenet
is a stretch even for them.

And to the previous poster, I acknowledge your safety concerns. There have
been enough flame wars regarding the justification of particular banned
prescriptions that I won't rehash them here.

Who cares. People break rules and laws if they want. On a
medical application you're required to report your medical
conditions and physician visits and treatment. The rules
further require that pilots self-police themselves when ill,
tired or just feel like crap.

Yet, there have been F14 Naval pilots crashing on landing on
the carrier. The investigation showed proscribe drugs. [OTC
decongestants]

The FAA has some stupid rules, some are medical and some
deal with pilot performed maintenance, among others. But
use common sense, safety is the goal, do what is safe and in
the spirit of the rules and you'll probably be OK with the
law.



"Allen" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| Consider what you're hiding? A prescription for a
banned
| FAA drug means you're being treated by a doctor and the
| condition requires treatment and the drug may have
| side-effects. You get to fly with the worry that you'll
be
| caught or die from the disease or drug. Maybe it is a
| sedative and your judgment will be effected further and
| you'll fly into freezing rain or a thunderstorm.
|
| Odds are the only people you'll kill will be family and
| friends of yours, so go ahead.
|
|
|
| "Sally Grozmano" wrote in message
| . ..
| | Grumman-581
wrote
| in
| |
|
news | |
| | On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:49:58 +0000, in
| | ,
Sally
| Grozmano wrote:
| | It seems to be "common knowledge" that many pilots
do
| lie, but I never
| | hear of actual convictions.
|
| Y'all see you are talking to someone with a Washington DC
IP address, right?
|
| Allen
|
|

I wouldn't worry so much about what the FAA does... I would worry that
leaving any pertinent information off the form would be more than
enough reason for a company to invalidate one's insurance coverage
should one ever get into an accident while flying. FAA penalties /
certificate suspensions / re-checkrides all pale in comparison to
having your entire net worth at risk for one simple omission.

--
Guy

Guy Elden Jr wrote:
I wouldn't worry so much about what the FAA does... I would worry that
leaving any pertinent information off the form would be more than
enough reason for a company to invalidate one's insurance coverage

How the hell is the insurance company going to get a look at my medical
application?

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:02:20 -0500, Ron Natalie wrote:

How the hell is the insurance company going to get a look at my medical
application?

They wouldn't need to look at your medical, they just need to find things
in your medical records that are known disqualifications.

The questions I have a Can an insurance company even gain access to your
medical records?

And, can they deny coverage if the omission had nothing to do with the
accident?

--
Dallas

Dallas wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:02:20 -0500, Ron Natalie wrote:


How the hell is the insurance company going to get a look at my medical
application?


They wouldn't need to look at your medical, they just need to find things
in your medical records that are known disqualifications.

The questions I have a Can an insurance company even gain access to your
medical records?

If you read the fine print when you sign an insurance
application, I think you'll find that you've given
them the right.

And, can they deny coverage if the omission had nothing to do with the
accident?

This is a I-am-not-a-lawyer-and-this-is-not-legal-advice
question. Nonetheless, I think the answer is that they
*may* try, but probably not.

Jim Stewart wrote:

If you read the fine print when you sign an insurance
application, I think you'll find that you've given
them the right.

I signed no such thing, nor is it in any subsequent contract I have
with them. Further, even if I did authorize it, I doubt the FAA is
going to turn over my medical records to a commercial entity.

Jim wrote :
If you read the fine print when you sign an insurance
application, I think you'll find that you've given
them the right.

If you're talking about health or life insurance, I'd agree. If
you're talking about aircraft insurance, I'd disagree. I've never
signed a release for my medical records (nor would I) to an aircraft
insurance company. Since the advent of HIPAA, there are pretty strict
rules about the release of medical records.

Being an inusurance company, they could probably look at your records
by peeking through the backdoor, by way of the MIB database. But they
couldn't do much with the info since they would have accessed it
illegally.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


--
JGalban
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