? For Dudley

"Marty" wrote:
I never could look at it as "just a trainer". I'd love to be that
newbe bouncing his helmet off the canopy. The longevity of the jet and
all of the efforts and upgrades being done to keep it on line is a
tribute to the design.

Thanks again,
Marty in Mo.

If you are ever in Oregon, there's a T-38A at the Evergreen Aviation Musem
in McMinnville - along with a few other notable air and space craft:

http://www.sprucegoose.org/aircraft_...nes_train.html

On Jun 19, 8:57 pm, Richard Riley wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:47:39 -0000, Jim Logajan
wrote:

"Marty" wrote:
I never could look at it as "just a trainer". I'd love to be that
newbe bouncing his helmet off the canopy. The longevity of the jet and
all of the efforts and upgrades being done to keep it on line is a
tribute to the design.

Thanks again,
Marty in Mo.

If you are ever in Oregon, there's a T-38A at the Evergreen Aviation Musem
in McMinnville - along with a few other notable air and space craft:

http://www.sprucegoose.org/aircraft_...nes_train.html

Paul Allen (Microsoft) owned a T-38 (he might still, I just haven't
seen it in a while)

N586PC

As does, IIRC, Ross Perot's son...painted in the TBirds scheme.

I'm fairly certain that this particular bird was assembled from spares
and it generated one of those "shaggy airplane" stories where the
owner goes to register it with the FAA and gets told "You Don't Have A
T38..."

Jay B

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:2007061912103350073-dhenriques@rcncom...
On 2007-06-19 10:15:20 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com said:

Dudley Henriques wrote:
We have a saying about the Talon;
"It sits on the ramp and gives you the impression it's going Mach 1"



Ain't that the truth? I have a friend who flew them when she went
through pilot
training and said they were a blast to fly. I'd love to just go for a
ride in
one.

That is one sleek looking airplane.

There's a little "trick" that's used from time to time in the Talon
community concerning taking a newbie up for their first ride in a 38.
The roll rate of the Talon is practically in the class of an urban legend.
At .9 mach with a full lateral stick throw, you can push 720 degrees/sec
out of the roll rate. That's QUICK!
What you do is take the newbie up and talk up the roll rate during the
climb. Once up to altitude, you ask the newbie if they want to see a roll.
You always get a "yes" on this question :-)
You take the airplane out to .9 and key the ICS and ask,
"Are you ready?"
When you get the "yes" from the back seat, you jiggle the stick about an
inch left and back again. This "jars" the 38 on the longitudinal axis to
about 10 degrees and back again to level flight. Without further fanfare
you key the ICS and ask,
"How was THAT? Want to see another one????"
You almost always get a "HOLY ****!!!!" MAN, now THAT was FAST!!!!"
Then without warning, you actually roll the airplane with a full lateral
stick throw and laugh like hell as the newbie's helmet bounces off the
canopy.
GOD, I do miss the "good ole'days!! :-))
Dudley Henriques

You must run with scissors, too! :~)

On 2007-06-20 11:00:42 -0400, Richard Riley said:

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:37:05 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
news:2007061912103350073-dhenriques@rcncom...
On 2007-06-19 10:15:20 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com said:

Dudley Henriques wrote:
We have a saying about the Talon;
"It sits on the ramp and gives you the impression it's going Mach 1"



Ain't that the truth? I have a friend who flew them when she went
through pilot
training and said they were a blast to fly. I'd love to just go for a
ride in
one.

That is one sleek looking airplane.

There's a little "trick" that's used from time to time in the Talon
community concerning taking a newbie up for their first ride in a 38.
The roll rate of the Talon is practically in the class of an urban legend.
At .9 mach with a full lateral stick throw, you can push 720 degrees/sec
out of the roll rate. That's QUICK!
What you do is take the newbie up and talk up the roll rate during the
climb. Once up to altitude, you ask the newbie if they want to see a roll.
You always get a "yes" on this question :-)
You take the airplane out to .9 and key the ICS and ask,
"Are you ready?"
When you get the "yes" from the back seat, you jiggle the stick about an
inch left and back again. This "jars" the 38 on the longitudinal axis to
about 10 degrees and back again to level flight. Without further fanfare
you key the ICS and ask,
"How was THAT? Want to see another one????"
You almost always get a "HOLY ****!!!!" MAN, now THAT was FAST!!!!"
Then without warning, you actually roll the airplane with a full lateral
stick throw and laugh like hell as the newbie's helmet bounces off the
canopy.
GOD, I do miss the "good ole'days!! :-))
Dudley Henriques

You must run with scissors, too! :~)


He runs while juggling scissors

Would that be a horizontal scissors or a vertical rolling scissors? :-)
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007062011293016807-dhenriques@rcncom:

Would that be a horizontal scissors or a vertical rolling
scissors? :-) Dudley Henriques

Vertical Rolling Scissors ..now THAT'S excitement. :-)



--

On 2007-06-20 13:25:10 -0400, John Godwin said:

Dudley Henriques wrote in
news:2007062011293016807-dhenriques@rcncom:

Would that be a horizontal scissors or a vertical rolling
scissors? :-) Dudley Henriques

Vertical Rolling Scissors ..now THAT'S excitement. :-)

Could be :-)) Problem with a VRS is that if it works you just MIGHT
shake a close in shooter by forcing a high angle off overshoot. If it
doesn't work, you might just solve the shooter's tracking solution :-)
Probably the best on film example of a vertical rolling scissors I've
seen when NOT flying, was an in-flight shot taken during the filming of
"The Battle of Britain".

The shot was made from the nose of the B25 film plane being used for
the movie, and the two pilots involved if I remember rightmight have
been Lefty Gardner and Loyd Nolan of the Confederate Air Force who went
over and assisted in the air to air filming.

In one of the aerial dogfight scenes,a Spitfire being attacked by an
Me109 executes a perfect underneath vertical rolling scissors by
dragging the in close ME down and outside as he rolls and pulls in
tighter than the ME, forcing the ME to overshoot him completely in the
vertical plane.
A gorgeous textbook maneuver. Shown many times at Top Gun and AF
Fighter Lead In Schools
Dudley Henriques

Speed: 812 mph (Mach 1.08 at sea level)
Ceiling: Above 55,000 feet (16,764 meters)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 12,093 pounds (5,485 kilograms)
Range: 1,093 miles
Armament: T-38A: none; AT-38B: provisions for practice bomb dispenser
Unit Cost: $756,000

Hm....not much more expensive than a fully-loaded Cirrus, much
cheaper than most VLJ.

Of course, this was back in the 60s...