2007 US Contest Rules Poll and Meeting Minutes

On Dec 18, 9:49 am, BB wrote:

2 points per 10 feet?

How about simple the math, you know that thing about common
denominators.
How about stating it as 1 point for 5 feet, nit picky yes but clearer.

Would the cylinder still work the same way if you pierce the edge at
400agl at 120 knots at 1 mile then 15-60 seconds later pull up to
500agl will the scoring program award you which ever is the more
advantageous score? [earlier vs higher?]

Overall the concept is nice because it simplifies the finish and lets
people focus on landing/flying.

Chris

On Dec 18, 6:41 pm, chris wrote:
On Dec 18, 9:49 am, BB wrote:

2 points per 10 feet?

How about simple the math, you know that thing about common
denominators.
How about stating it as 1 point for 5 feet, nit picky yes but clearer.

Would the cylinder still work the same way if you pierce the edge at
400agl at 120 knots at 1 mile then 15-60 seconds later pull up to
500agl will the scoring program award you which ever is the more
advantageous score? [earlier vs higher?]

Overall the concept is nice because it simplifies the finish and lets
people focus on landing/flying.

Chris

If you get into the cylinder either from the side(preferred), or by
pulling up
into the bottom, you get a speed finish.
UH

Would the cylinder still work the same way if you pierce the edge at
400agl at 120 knots at 1 mile then 15-60 seconds later pull up to
500agl will the scoring program award you which ever is the more
advantageous score? [earlier vs higher?]

Like Hank said, you get the most advantageous score. Rules aside
though, I would hope any CD who saw this maneuver either in person or
on a trace would slap the pilot with a huge unsafe flying penalty.
Lots of gliders are finishing, and you can't see the guy behind and
above you who you just pulled up into -- and he can't see you either.
This isn't just theory. I have had a glider dive over the top of me
right at the finish cylinder, missing by 20 feet -- good thing I
didn't do any pulling up, or I wouldn't be here writing right now.
Please just cross the cylinder wall at your final glide speed, then
gently slow down and enter the pattern. The manever you describe also
wastes points -- the pilot would have done better by simply gliding at
90 knots to the cylinder wall.

John Cochrane.

On Dec 18, 9:29 am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
No problem here, SSA page, then click on Sailplane Racing, then click
on Rules, then open 2008 Proposed Rule Changes PDF.
With the proposed changes, the guy that hits the finish circle 50' low
will loose 2 points / 10' (2 X 5= 10 points), sounds good to me. I
also like the straight forward way to deal with sailplane
"Modifications", add a wing fairing, loose 1%, add winglets, loose 1%
(no more measuring winglet heights), add zig-zag, loose 1%. This
sounds fail and it gives the CD firm guidance to deal with modified
ships. Looks like I will get tagged with a 2% reduction to the
published .939 for my Genesis 2 which becomes .920 due to wing fairing
and zig-zag additions. That sound just about right, the fairing got it
to climb in a 1 knot thermal and the zig-zag slowed down the thermal
speed to 45 knots. She will now climb with most ships and it always
did run like sting. This is a major change, so it won't take affect
until 2009.
Good on you guys,
JJ

On Dec 17, 2:19 pm, " wrote:



Thanks for the "headsup" on the postings Hank. Unfortuanately I've not
been able to access any of that data from the SSA website as
indicated . Anyone else having difficulty ?

Ron (ZA).- Hide quoted text -

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Minutes and poll results are shown as of now. Text of proposed changes
will follow in a few days.
Items you mentioned will all be effective for contest year 2008.
I had no trouble viewing Tue AM.
UH

On Dec 16, 3:00 pm, wrote:
The results of the 2007 Contest Rules Pilot poll and the minutes of
the SSA Competition Rules Subcommittee Meeting are posted at
SSA.orgSailplane RacingRules &Process.
Proposed Draft Rules will be available for review 12/22/07.
H Nixon
SSA Competition Rules Subcommitte Chair

Entertaining comments, it all makes sense to me, not that I claim to
fully understand every minuscule detail but the big picture is fairly
straight forward, keep a reasonable finish cushion in your pocket &
fly safe, got it!

Just for fun, I'm surprised no one has brought up the "Super Regional"
"what if" questions, BTW I'm Ok with the concept, just thought I'd
shift the focus of the subject. Thanks UH and committee members for
tackling a tough task, well done!

More snow is arriving in Denver tonight so we'll have lots of time to
pour over the details ;-)
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