Cirrus down, Chapel Hill NC

On Jul 20, 10:07*am, a wrote:

What is the lesson we who fly can learn from this-- be careful to
control airspeed on final? Control attitude on go-round? *Pay
attention to the basics?

Talk about basics.... Why a downwind landing? We all know AWOS not
always correct.

In the report.

The airplane appeared to be coming in faster than usual for a small plane and according to the
windsock beside the runway; the plane was landing with the wind not against it.

Witness statement would seem to be credible if the plane had a
tailwind.

On Jul 20, 11:27*am, " wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:07*am, a wrote:

What is the lesson we who fly can learn from this-- be careful to
control airspeed on final? Control attitude on go-round? *Pay
attention to the basics?

Talk about basics.... Why a downwind landing? *We all know AWOS not
always correct.

In the report.

The airplane appeared to be coming in faster than usual for a small plane and according to the
windsock beside the runway; the plane was landing with the wind not against it.

Witness statement would seem to be credible if the plane had a
tailwind.

NTSB report says 4 knots

On Jul 20, 10:39*am, a wrote:
On Jul 20, 11:27*am, " wrote:





On Jul 20, 10:07*am, a wrote:

What is the lesson we who fly can learn from this-- be careful to
control airspeed on final? Control attitude on go-round? *Pay
attention to the basics?

Talk about basics.... Why a downwind landing? *We all know AWOS not
always correct.

In the report.

The airplane appeared to be coming in faster than usual for a small plane and according to the
windsock beside the runway; the plane was landing with the wind not against it.

Witness statement would seem to be credible if the plane had a
tailwind.

NTSB report says 4 knots- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, I saw that as well as it being a direct Xwind for runway 9 per
ASOS which seems to conflict the witness report of seeing the windsock
running the same direction of the runway.

On Jul 20, 12:14*pm, " wrote:
On Jul 20, 10:39*am, a wrote:



On Jul 20, 11:27*am, " wrote:

On Jul 20, 10:07*am, a wrote:

What is the lesson we who fly can learn from this-- be careful to
control airspeed on final? Control attitude on go-round? *Pay
attention to the basics?

Talk about basics.... Why a downwind landing? *We all know AWOS not
always correct.

In the report.

The airplane appeared to be coming in faster than usual for a small plane and according to the
windsock beside the runway; the plane was landing with the wind not against it.

Witness statement would seem to be credible if the plane had a
tailwind.

NTSB report says 4 knots- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I saw that as well as it being a direct Xwind for runway 9 per
ASOS which seems to conflict the witness report of seeing the windsock
running the same direction of the runway.

4 knots of wind is enough to move leaves, and you can feel it on your
face. If it was a tail wind he'd have come in with an over-the-ground
speed 4 knots more than he might expect. It's a little worse than
that, if it was 4 knots at 6 feet AGL it would be half that at his
wing's AGL at touch down, in effect increasing his airspeed. My
airplane, and I am pretty sure the Cirrus has the same characteristic,
is if you carry too much speed into ground effect you're in for a
long, long, float. My experience is, you have to be patient and let
the beast want to stop flying before it settles onto the gear. Too
fast down and it'll bounce, as this man seems to have done with the
Cirrus. . It's another GA tragedy no matter what the cause.

On 7/24/2010 2:40 PM, Stephen! wrote:
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@q22g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:


The NTSB preliminary report has been issued.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=ERA10FA356&rpt=p


PIO. Certainly not the first and sadly not the last.


Landing bunny-hops, specially divergent hops are risky.
I did a series like that on first landing a short coupled
Tippsey Nipper long ago.
But they were not divergent. Just bounce, power, try again - three or
four times. Naughty. One bounce is cause enough to go round, no doubt.

Never heard these called a "PIO" before - which I associate with
control corrections which cause divergent oscillations, for which the
remedy is to remove your hands from the yoke!

Still, bunny hops ARE divergent oscillations, come to think of it....

Brian W