Position and Hold at uncontrolled field

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message . com...
"dave" wrote in message
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I was returning to LOM today and after one plane had landed but not yet
cleared the runway, a pilot at the approach end announced "position and
hold". He taxied into position and waited for the previous aircraft to
clear the runway. He then made a normal departure. I was taught at
uncontrolled fields to never take the runway unless you can depart
promptly. Why? In case an aircraft is landing that you aren't aware
of. You may not be aware of the aircraft because he doesn't have a
radio, he called and you didn't hear him, you can't see him, etc.

Is this a new training technique to get students ready for controlled
fields? Most everybody has a radio at my home field but I fly into
fields where many pilots don't have or don't use their radio.

Dave
68 7ECA

I have never understood why some pilots use this technique to attempt
suicide. If they want to kill themselves why waste a perfectly good
airplane.


Position and hold at an uncontrolled runway may be stupid, but it is
not necessarily suicide. It takes an equally stupid aircraft to
collide with it.

In article ,
dave wrote:

I was returning to LOM today and after one plane had landed but not yet
cleared the runway, a pilot at the approach end announced "position and
hold". He taxied into position and waited for the previous aircraft to
clear the runway. He then made a normal departure. I was taught at
uncontrolled fields to never take the runway unless you can depart
promptly. Why? In case an aircraft is landing that you aren't aware
of. You may not be aware of the aircraft because he doesn't have a
radio, he called and you didn't hear him, you can't see him, etc.

Is this a new training technique to get students ready for controlled
fields? Most everybody has a radio at my home field but I fly into
fields where many pilots don't have or don't use their radio.

If the guy went position and hold to do his runup would be one thing.
But getting into position as other traffic is clearing isn't a big deal.
It's only a few seconds, not much different than taxiing out and
departing as far as risk of being hit by the blind pilot on final. By
getting out on the runway he's making the runway available sooner for
landing traffic. Good thinking on his part.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

it can be a big deal, the first and only time I flew into apple valley, those
country boys out there were landing 2 and 3 planes at a time. It was a mess.
half of them wasnt even talking, I think they figured that since the other
guy wasnt off the runway yet they did not need to make call since no one
could take off.


Dale wrote:



If the guy went position and hold to do his runup would be one thing.
But getting into position as other traffic is clearing isn't a big deal.
It's only a few seconds, not much different than taxiing out and
departing as far as risk of being hit by the blind pilot on final. By
getting out on the runway he's making the runway available sooner for
landing traffic. Good thinking on his part.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

it can be a big deal, the first and only time I flew into apple valley,
those
country boys out there were landing 2 and 3 planes at a time. It was a
mess.
half of them wasnt even talking, I think they figured that since the other
guy wasnt off the runway yet they did not need to make call since no one
could take off.

Are you talking about Apple Valley in Illinois, near Galena?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Sorry, apple valley california.
Just outside the Los Angeles basin.
Nice airport, nice restaurant, no tower and alot of local yahoo's use it.
las month when I was flying to LA there was even a UAV out there. I heard ATC
calling him out at 10,000 over apple valley.

Jay Honeck wrote:

it can be a big deal, the first and only time I flew into apple valley,
those
country boys out there were landing 2 and 3 planes at a time. It was a
mess.
half of them wasnt even talking, I think they figured that since the other
guy wasnt off the runway yet they did not need to make call since no one
could take off.

Are you talking about Apple Valley in Illinois, near Galena?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Dale" wrote in message
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In article ,
dave wrote:

I was returning to LOM today and after one plane had landed but not yet
cleared the runway, a pilot at the approach end announced "position and
hold". He taxied into position and waited for the previous aircraft to
clear the runway. He then made a normal departure. I was taught at
uncontrolled fields to never take the runway unless you can depart
promptly. Why? In case an aircraft is landing that you aren't aware
of. You may not be aware of the aircraft because he doesn't have a
radio, he called and you didn't hear him, you can't see him, etc.

Is this a new training technique to get students ready for controlled
fields? Most everybody has a radio at my home field but I fly into
fields where many pilots don't have or don't use their radio.

If the guy went position and hold to do his runup would be one thing.
But getting into position as other traffic is clearing isn't a big deal.
It's only a few seconds, not much different than taxiing out and
departing as far as risk of being hit by the blind pilot on final. By
getting out on the runway he's making the runway available sooner for
landing traffic. Good thinking on his part.

Tend to agree and it lets the clearing traffic know someone wants to go. As
a matter of course I always tell when I have vacated the runway. I often fly
from a strip with a hump and a plane can disappear over the hump and unless
the pilot radios that he is clear, the only option for the departing pilot
is to wait to see him reappear on the taxiway.

When the tower is working no problem, but when its closed it needs all
pilots to consider the needs of others.

On 2004-02-24, dave wrote:
I was returning to LOM today and after one plane had landed but not yet
cleared the runway, a pilot at the approach end announced "position and
hold".

This technique is used to encourage go-around practice for those die
hard "airmen" who can afford goggles and scarves (not to mention an
airplane) but not a hand held radio.

"Doug Carter" wrote in message
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On 2004-02-24, dave wrote:
I was returning to LOM today and after one plane had landed but not yet
cleared the runway, a pilot at the approach end announced "position and
hold".

This technique is used to encourage go-around practice for those die
hard "airmen" who can afford goggles and scarves (not to mention an
airplane) but not a hand held radio.

The people I have seen do position and holds at non towered airports are
also the kind that have radios but use them only for transmitting.

"dave" wrote in message
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I was returning to LOM today and after one plane had landed but not yet
cleared the runway, a pilot at the approach end announced "position and
hold". He taxied into position and waited for the previous aircraft to
clear the runway. He then made a normal departure. I was taught at
uncontrolled fields to never take the runway unless you can depart
promptly. Why? In case an aircraft is landing that you aren't aware
of. You may not be aware of the aircraft because he doesn't have a
radio, he called and you didn't hear him, you can't see him, etc.


Are you saying that some other aircraft is going to land before the first
has cleared the runway?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Are you saying that some other aircraft is going to land before the first
has cleared the runway?


Not a good idea when an airplane is holding on the runway, but there's
nothing wrong with landing behind another landing aircraft.