Hurricane relief

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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"cjcampbell"

Too many people try to fight the culture of dependency with a culture
of self-reliance. Although it may be somewhat of an improvement, the
culture of self-reliance says "I am responsible for myself. I have no
obligation to anyone else, nor does anyone have any obligation towards
me."

Really? I doubt you'll find many self-reliant people who would agree.
That's a strawman central to the rest of your argument.

Neither would psychologists or other "self-help" types. He's engaging in a
logical fallacy of "false-alternative".

Tom S.

"Doof" wrote in message
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"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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"cjcampbell"

Too many people try to fight the culture of dependency with a culture
of self-reliance. Although it may be somewhat of an improvement, the
culture of self-reliance says "I am responsible for myself. I have no
obligation to anyone else, nor does anyone have any obligation towards
me."

Really? I doubt you'll find many self-reliant people who would agree.
That's a strawman central to the rest of your argument.

Neither would psychologists or other "self-help" types. He's engaging in a
logical fallacy of "false-alternative".

Strawman, actually. His statement is a caricature of self-reliance
advocates. Did you mean "false dilemma", BTW?

moo

Doof wrote:
"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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"cjcampbell"

Too many people try to fight the culture of dependency with a culture
of self-reliance. Although it may be somewhat of an improvement, the
culture of self-reliance says "I am responsible for myself. I have no
obligation to anyone else, nor does anyone have any obligation towards
me."

Really? I doubt you'll find many self-reliant people who would agree.
That's a strawman central to the rest of your argument.

Neither would psychologists or other "self-help" types. He's engaging in a
logical fallacy of "false-alternative".

Tom S.

If I have mistated my case, show me the rugged individualists posting
here who have suggested lifting even one finger to help out the
hurricane victims. To the contrary, they began by complaining the
misuse of "their" money and resources for this task, and have suggested
it would just be better to let them die.

"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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One of the big problems that we
are dealing with is a culture of dependency. It is too easy to extend
our perceptions of that problem to a point where people don't realize
how inter-dependent they are. A culture of dependency is classless. I
see it in rich and poor alike, among all races and people. It basically
says, "I cannot do anything for myself. It is up to the government, or
the rich, or somebody else, to provide for all my wants and needs." It
is basically a refusal to grow up, to remain forever a child who is
taken care of by its parents.

It's possible, of course, to be excessively dependent. But in general, being
able to create institutions that we can depend on for protection (from
violence, from the aftermath of disasters, from unbreathable air...) is one
of the great blessings of civilization. And as the example of pilots relying
in part on SAR illustrates, such dependency is hardly tantamount to an
attitude that "I cannot do anything for myself".

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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One of the big problems that we
are dealing with is a culture of dependency. It is too easy to extend
our perceptions of that problem to a point where people don't realize
how inter-dependent they are. A culture of dependency is classless. I
see it in rich and poor alike, among all races and people. It basically
says, "I cannot do anything for myself. It is up to the government, or
the rich, or somebody else, to provide for all my wants and needs." It
is basically a refusal to grow up, to remain forever a child who is
taken care of by its parents.

It's possible, of course, to be excessively dependent. But in general, being
able to create institutions that we can depend on for protection (from
violence, from the aftermath of disasters, from unbreathable air...) is one
of the great blessings of civilization. And as the example of pilots relying
in part on SAR illustrates, such dependency is hardly tantamount to an
attitude that "I cannot do anything for myself".

Yes, but there are way too many people in New Orleans (and everywhere
else, for that matter) who are excessively dependent by any reasonable
standard. Besides, haven't you heard? I am too tough on people who are
independent.

In article ,
"Dan Luke" wrote:

I'm going nuts.

My airplane's at BFM, fueled up and ready to go, with a fresh annual.
I'm on crutches, grounded by a ruptured tendon and scheduled for surgery
that will keep me grounded for at least eight weeks.

ouch. I hope it goes well for you.

Maybe other pilots in the area would be willing to fly it for ya. :-)

(.golf group trimmed - hope no one minds).

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

"Bob Noel" wrote:

ouch. I hope it goes well for you.

Thanks.

Maybe other pilots in the area would be willing to fly it for ya. :-)

Ha! I'm sure.

Not only can I not fly my airplane, I'm missing the chance to fly my
buddy Lamar's Mooney while he's gone.

This really sucks.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"cjcampbell" writes:
[snip]
Speaking of which, Seattle once was below sea level like New Orleans.
Instead of levees to keep water out, though, early Seattlites just used
boats to navigate streets when the tide was in. After the great Seattle
Fire, though, the rubble and material from some neighboring hills was
used to raise the level of the whole city. I wonder how much of the
rubble from Katrina could be used for that in New Orleans, assuming it
is not all too contaminated to be useful? Biloxi, Slidell, and several
smaller towns have an awful lot of garbage they are going to have to
find a home for.

I was thinking about the recovery/restoration effort for
New Orleans and realized that using NO as a landfill site
would solve several problems at once.

Trying to restore NO to the way it was before Katrina
makes no sense and expending copious resources to try to
"improve" things will only move the same basic problems
to the next time. If you build a city in a hole in the
ocean, you have to expect major problems from time to
time. Building bans are in place in other parts of the
Mississippi River floodplain...