Plane for the kids

Build your own and have the kids help. You can build a Cub,
plans and kits are available. You've got 4-5 years to build
it before the kid will be old enough to solo.

There are choices, the instructor is more important than the
airplane, a good instructor can make the student use the
rudder and land straight even in a CE-150.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
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"Jim Burns" wrote in
message ...
| I'm looking forward to that day. My son will be 12 in a
couple months and
| we kid each other about buying him a SuperCub someday (ok
Dad, time to sell
| the house, pitch a tent, and buy a SuperCub) But
seriously, I kick that
| question around all the time.... which airplane would be a
good trainer for
| him to learn in yet provide Dad with something fun,
reasonably fast, and
| that would ultimately get Dad off his arse and finally
build that grass
| strip and hanger in front of the house? SuperCubs being
priced what they
| are, I keep leaning towards a C170 with a 180hp conversion
and C180 gear
| legs.
|
| Jim
|
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire
lives. Now they are
| getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of
buying them a plane
| and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years
before they are
| old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some
group suggestions
| would be appreciated...
|
| 1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn
to fly can I
| aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How
long can a dealer
| hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months
or so, it would
| be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane.
| 2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in
that would be
| fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a
Taylorcraft or
| a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a
good choice
| too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something
fun for dad to
| fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better!
| 3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly?
I do know of
| two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it.
However, once
| they finished their private life seems to prevent much
other flying
| until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will
be pretty busy
| with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good
college they
| will want to earn their private and then set it aside
for some years.
|
| -Robert, CFI
|
|
|

("Jim Burns" wrote)
...and that would ultimately get Dad off his arse and finally build that
grass strip and hanger in front of the house?


It's like a golf course - you want it ready later, you need to built it now.
g

Start with the strip.


Montblack

Robert M. Gary wrote:

3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of
two other CFIs that have done this.

I've got to say...I would have NEVER let my parents teach me to fly
(moot point, since they aren't pilots).

And I don't think I'd want to teach my children, either. Too much
personal stuff gets in the way. Of course, another moot point, since I
don't want kids.

"Rachel" wrote in message
...
Of course, another moot point, since I
don't want kids.

Yeah, you say that now, but wait a few years until the biological clock
starts ticking and then it'll be, "Weeeelllll, I juuuuuussssttttt want
ooonnnnneee..."

Been there, done that, stuck with the result...

Are you saying once you start you can't turn off???

Big John
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:48:54 GMT, "Grumman-581"
wrote:

"Rachel" wrote in message
...
Of course, another moot point, since I
don't want kids.

Yeah, you say that now, but wait a few years until the biological clock
starts ticking and then it'll be, "Weeeelllll, I juuuuuussssttttt want
ooonnnnneee..."

Been there, done that, stuck with the result...

Robert,

My husband taught me to fly his Luscombe, and he's not a CFI. It wasn't a
big deal. I think it depends on the relationship.

Other folks have mentioned insurance as an issue. That wasn't a big deal
with us, either. Buy the airplane that you, as the CFI, have the most
time-in-type in. That will keep your costs down. Try
http://www.auaonline.com/ for the best vintage rates.

Folks on our Luscombe List use their airplanes for "personal" primary
training all the time. It has been our experience that the high costs come
into play when tailwheel aircraft are rented out for commercial use.

Have fun!
Deb
--
1946 Luscombe 8A (his)
1948 Luscombe 8E (hers)
1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (ours)

Hope he didn't solo you or ever sign your logbook. But if
all he did was let you fly while he was in the plane, that
is legal.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Deborah McFarland" wrote in
message ...
| Robert,
|
| My husband taught me to fly his Luscombe, and he's not a
CFI. It wasn't a
| big deal. I think it depends on the relationship.
|
| Other folks have mentioned insurance as an issue. That
wasn't a big deal
| with us, either. Buy the airplane that you, as the CFI,
have the most
| time-in-type in. That will keep your costs down. Try
| http://www.auaonline.com/ for the best vintage rates.
|
| Folks on our Luscombe List use their airplanes for
"personal" primary
| training all the time. It has been our experience that the
high costs come
| into play when tailwheel aircraft are rented out for
commercial use.
|
| Have fun!
| Deb
| --
| 1946 Luscombe 8A (his)
| 1948 Luscombe 8E (hers)
| 1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (ours)
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:lLvBf.69412$QW2.28094@dukeread08...
Hope he didn't solo you or ever sign your logbook. But if
all he did was let you fly while he was in the plane, that
is legal.

Really? No one signed his logbook. He didn't need anyone's okay to solo.
Tailwheel endorsements are a relatively new idea.

Deb

--
1946 Luscombe 8A (his)
1948 Luscombe 8E (hers)
1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (ours)

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:lLvBf.69412$QW2.28094@dukeread08...
Hope he didn't solo you or ever sign your logbook. But if
all he did was let you fly while he was in the plane, that
is legal.

Anyone can sign anybodys log book. Some people have passengers sign just so
they can look back to see who they have flown with. What's the big deal? I
see nothing to prevent a non CFI from instructing, indicating so in the
students log book and signing it. The times don't count toward any
instruction required for ratings but other than that what's the problem?


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Deborah McFarland" wrote in
message ...
| Robert,
|
| My husband taught me to fly his Luscombe, and he's not a
CFI. It wasn't a
| big deal. I think it depends on the relationship.
|
| Other folks have mentioned insurance as an issue. That
wasn't a big deal
| with us, either. Buy the airplane that you, as the CFI,
have the most
| time-in-type in. That will keep your costs down. Try
| http://www.auaonline.com/ for the best vintage rates.
|
| Folks on our Luscombe List use their airplanes for
"personal" primary
| training all the time. It has been our experience that the
high costs come
| into play when tailwheel aircraft are rented out for
commercial use.
|
| Have fun!
| Deb
| --
| 1946 Luscombe 8A (his)
| 1948 Luscombe 8E (hers)
| 1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (ours)
|
|

Ask your local FAA Inspector... I see no problem with having
a passenger put their name in a book as a passenger, but by
law (FAR) only an authorized instructor may endorse (sign)
for instruction given.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
. com...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:lLvBf.69412$QW2.28094@dukeread08...
| Hope he didn't solo you or ever sign your logbook. But
if
| all he did was let you fly while he was in the plane,
that
| is legal.
|
| Anyone can sign anybodys log book. Some people have
passengers sign just so
| they can look back to see who they have flown with.
What's the big deal? I
| see nothing to prevent a non CFI from instructing,
indicating so in the
| students log book and signing it. The times don't count
toward any
| instruction required for ratings but other than that
what's the problem?
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
| See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and
duties.
|
|
| "Deborah McFarland" wrote in
| message ...
| | Robert,
| |
| | My husband taught me to fly his Luscombe, and he's not
a
| CFI. It wasn't a
| | big deal. I think it depends on the relationship.
| |
| | Other folks have mentioned insurance as an issue. That
| wasn't a big deal
| | with us, either. Buy the airplane that you, as the
CFI,
| have the most
| | time-in-type in. That will keep your costs down. Try
| | http://www.auaonline.com/ for the best vintage rates.
| |
| | Folks on our Luscombe List use their airplanes for
| "personal" primary
| | training all the time. It has been our experience that
the
| high costs come
| | into play when tailwheel aircraft are rented out for
| commercial use.
| |
| | Have fun!
| | Deb
| | --
| | 1946 Luscombe 8A (his)
| | 1948 Luscombe 8E (hers)
| | 1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (ours)
| |
| |
|
|
|
|