Circle to Land @ KRBG

Al wrote:

At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left traffic for both ends
of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite "Circling east of the rwy
34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when I break out, and have
to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16", while VFR traffic is flying
the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for RWY16?

Al


If the weather is VFR you are well-advised to take this into
consideration at an uncontrolled airport. If feasible you should stop
descent at pattern altitude and join the established VFR traffic pattern.

If the weather is below VFR then you are *required* to adhere to the
IAP's requirements as to circle-to-land.

Thanks for your comments, let me amend the original post.

The conditions that brought this up we

1500' ovc, 5 miles, wind 160 @ 15 gusting to 20 Rainshowers & Terrain all
quadrants.

The aircraft was a 90 series King Air on a GPS-B approach

Seattle Center on the #1 comm, and lost comm due to terrain below 3000msl.

Unicom on the #2 comm, and listening to VFR traffic from 4 airports while
above 2500', and 2 airports(Roseburg & Felt) when below 2500msl.

To cancel IFR, it is either by phone on the ground, or by RCO to FSS.
Obviously no radar.

The King air broke out about 2 south of the airport, with a touch and go
C-172(with a bad radio), & an RV6 in left traffic for 16.

The King air driver said he was unable to cancel, and felt obligated to
comply with the published procedure.
He also said that due to rainshowers, he was unable to keep the traffic in
sight.

Class "E" airspace starts at 700' AGL over the airport & conditions were
VFR.




Jim Mackin said: "There are no instrument approaches in Class G" and for the
most part I agree. In this case you are in class E until below 700' agl.
However, even there you are still operating under IFR. You do not need to
maintain the required VFR cloud clearance, and you may operate at less than
3 miles. At the same time, you are mixing with VFR traffic.


Steven P. McNicoll said "See and avoid them.", and I wholeheartedly agree,
with the caveat, "if you can".


Al CFIAMI





"Sam Spade" wrote in message
news:0Xt%f.14252$bm6.10450@fed1read04...
Al wrote:

At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left traffic for both
ends of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite "Circling east of the
rwy 34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do when I break out, and
have to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16", while VFR traffic is
flying the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for RWY16?

Al


If the weather is VFR you are well-advised to take this into consideration
at an uncontrolled airport. If feasible you should stop descent at
pattern altitude and join the established VFR traffic pattern.

If the weather is below VFR then you are *required* to adhere to the IAP's
requirements as to circle-to-land.

The pilot may have been unfamiliar with uncontrolled
airports and contact approaches. Part 135 requires that an
active flight plan [ or other flight locating procedure] for
passenger carrying flights. A King Air 90 will normally fly
the approach at 120-140 KIAS, but can slow to 100 KIAS or
even a little less at light weights. The pilot should
inquire about alternate communications procedures at such
airports and switch to CTAF as soon as possible to announce
position and help with joining the pattern. The pilot could
advise ATC that the GPS approach would be flown into VMC and
then the approach would be complete as a contact approach,
which puts the flight path and altitudes at pilot's
discretion.

This is a high work-load for a single-pilot.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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"Al" wrote in message
...
| Thanks for your comments, let me amend the original
post.
|
| The conditions that brought this up we
|
| 1500' ovc, 5 miles, wind 160 @ 15 gusting to 20
Rainshowers & Terrain all
| quadrants.
|
| The aircraft was a 90 series King Air on a GPS-B approach
|
| Seattle Center on the #1 comm, and lost comm due to
terrain below 3000msl.
|
| Unicom on the #2 comm, and listening to VFR traffic from 4
airports while
| above 2500', and 2 airports(Roseburg & Felt) when below
2500msl.
|
| To cancel IFR, it is either by phone on the ground, or by
RCO to FSS.
| Obviously no radar.
|
| The King air broke out about 2 south of the airport, with
a touch and go
| C-172(with a bad radio), & an RV6 in left traffic for 16.
|
| The King air driver said he was unable to cancel, and felt
obligated to
| comply with the published procedure.
| He also said that due to rainshowers, he was unable to
keep the traffic in
| sight.
|
| Class "E" airspace starts at 700' AGL over the airport &
conditions were
| VFR.
|
|
|
|
| Jim Mackin said: "There are no instrument approaches in
Class G" and for the
| most part I agree. In this case you are in class E until
below 700' agl.
| However, even there you are still operating under IFR. You
do not need to
| maintain the required VFR cloud clearance, and you may
operate at less than
| 3 miles. At the same time, you are mixing with VFR
traffic.
|
|
| Steven P. McNicoll said "See and avoid them.", and I
wholeheartedly agree,
| with the caveat, "if you can".
|
|
| Al CFIAMI
|
|
|
|
|
| "Sam Spade" wrote in message
| news:0Xt%f.14252$bm6.10450@fed1read04...
| Al wrote:
|
| At our home field, KRBG, Roseburg, Oregon, we use left
traffic for both
| ends of our RWY 34-16. The approach procedures cite
"Circling east of the
| rwy 34-16 centerline not authorized". What do I do
when I break out, and
| have to "circle west of the centerline for RWY 16",
while VFR traffic is
| flying the normal left traffic(east of centerline) for
RWY16?
|
| Al
|
|
| If the weather is VFR you are well-advised to take this
into consideration
| at an uncontrolled airport. If feasible you should stop
descent at
| pattern altitude and join the established VFR traffic
pattern.
|
| If the weather is below VFR then you are *required* to
adhere to the IAP's
| requirements as to circle-to-land.
|
|

Al wrote:

Thanks for your comments, let me amend the original post.

The conditions that brought this up we

1500' ovc, 5 miles, wind 160 @ 15 gusting to 20 Rainshowers & Terrain all
quadrants.

The aircraft was a 90 series King Air on a GPS-B approach

Seattle Center on the #1 comm, and lost comm due to terrain below 3000msl.

Unicom on the #2 comm, and listening to VFR traffic from 4 airports while
above 2500', and 2 airports(Roseburg & Felt) when below 2500msl.

To cancel IFR, it is either by phone on the ground, or by RCO to FSS.
Obviously no radar.

The King air broke out about 2 south of the airport, with a touch and go
C-172(with a bad radio), & an RV6 in left traffic for 16.

The King air driver said he was unable to cancel, and felt obligated to
comply with the published procedure.
He also said that due to rainshowers, he was unable to keep the traffic in
sight.

Class "E" airspace starts at 700' AGL over the airport & conditions were
VFR.

If the pilot cannot talk with ATC at an uncontrolled airport, and the
weather is VFR, even with the conditions you cited the pilot would be
well advised to enter the normal traffic pattern if it was safe to do
so. ATC couldn't care less. All they are looking for at this point is
a cancellation (when able) or report of a missed approach.

I note also that the chart shows a FSS frequency. The pilot could
cancel on that frequency and they have to accept the cancellation. Of
course, he has to inform them where he is and that is is IFR.

At a lot of locations like this the center tells the aircraft to report
on the ground or missing the approach to FSS. Apparently, the center
either doesn't have that procedure in place at this airport or the
controller felt it wasn't necessary. That, however, doesn't relieve the
pilot of the responsibility to establish relay communications through
the FSS when it is apparent that he can no longer communicate with the
center.