Right seat flying

Andrew Sarangan wrote in message .158...
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From: Anthony Acri )
Subject: Right Seat Flying

Date: 2001-12-11 03:21:43 PST

Does anybody know if there is any regulations about flying from the
right
seat? Would like to flyi from the right seat while taking some
people up
for sightseeing. Have been flying from the right when I have been
doing my
instructors courses.

Thanks

As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

There are regulations pertaining to this, and if you are indeed doing
your instructors rating you should have gained a reasonable knowledge
of the FAR's and furthermore have an understaning of CRM.

Please cite the paragraph number of this regulation that pertains to right
seat flying.

read the FAR's and the AFM.




as we are all aware, many GA aircraft are equipped with "dual"
controls and instumentation, however, depending on the aircraft the
left seat is configured as the primary control station, with
reduced/limited access from the right seat, limited further if a body
is in that seat, limited even further if it is occupied by a non
pilot.

Which aircraft are you talking about? Most small GA aircraft (skyhawks,
cherokees, arrows, archers, skylanes, centurians...) do not make a
distinction between left and right seat. Some aircraft do say that (the
Katana DA-20), but they are the exception rather than the rule.

many GA aircraft are configured with a preference for access to
systems/controls from the left seat, as well you know. seeing as you
want an example, many aircraft have the main wheel braking on the left
side only with steering on the right.




so again, what purpose would it serve to position a non pilot in the
left seat and place yourself in the right seat, why would you want to
limit access to full control of the aircraft.

The left seat provides full access to the controls in most small GA
aircraft.

uh huh. which doesnt answer my question.



you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or
insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even
posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and
lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this
manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith.


You don't need a loop hole.

when the aircraft departs the runway left right or off the end
following touchdown because a non flying passenger was in the left
seat and didnt know how to brake or had his feet on the brakes, or
blows a main because a non flying passenger had his toes on the brakes
on landing, or stamped on the brakes after being asked to brake, you
better start reading the FAR's, the AFM, the renters agreement, the
insurance smallprint, because a few people wont be too happy.

It is perfectly legal to fly from the right

i didnt say it wasnt.

seat unless the manufacturer or insurance company specifies differently.

exactly.

Sounds like you own a flying business, hence your reference to 'my pilots'.
It is your business if you want to set a company policy not to fly solo
from the right seat.

there is no reason for it, only detriment.

But expecting everyone follow your understanding of
CRM displays poorly on your understanding of how the GA world operates.

nope. CRM is CRM. i have a pretty good understanding of how the GA
world operates thanks.

(running with scissors) wrote

you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or
insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even
posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and
lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this
manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith.

As if your posting name didn't say enough about you, your entire post
says that you are either very inexperienced or lacking in confidence
in yourself and other pilots. It's been years since I have flown from
the left seat of a general aviation aircraft. A few years back when I
was flying 12-13 year old "Young Eagles", I never sat in the left seat,
and as a matter-of-fact, very seldom touched the controls.

The CFI who did my last Flight Review was amused when I flew the entire
flight including the instrument portion from the right seat of a C-172.

Bob Moore

Bob Moore wrote in message .8...
(running with scissors) wrote

you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or
insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even
posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and
lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this
manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith.

As if your posting name didn't say enough about you, your entire post
says that you are either very inexperienced or lacking in confidence
in yourself and other pilots. It's been years since I have flown from
the left seat of a general aviation aircraft. A few years back when I
was flying 12-13 year old "Young Eagles", I never sat in the left seat,
and as a matter-of-fact, very seldom touched the controls.

The CFI who did my last Flight Review was amused when I flew the entire
flight including the instrument portion from the right seat of a C-172.

Bob Moore

you are missing the whole point of the post. the original poster
stated that it was sightseeing flight and it was a passenger, zero
experience, who would be in the left seat and the poster was not a
rated instructor.

if you want to get into character assassination, then go ahead. call
me what you want.

How about an instructor whose instructor certificate has just expired but
who is more comfortable in the right seat?

Rod
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From: Anthony Acri )
Subject: Right Seat Flying

Date: 2001-12-11 03:21:43 PST

Does anybody know if there is any regulations about flying from the
right
seat? Would like to flyi from the right seat while taking some
people up
for sightseeing. Have been flying from the right when I have been
doing my
instructors courses.

Thanks

As a question, why would you want to place a passenger in the left
seat? what purpose would it serve ?

There are regulations pertaining to this, and if you are indeed doing
your instructors rating you should have gained a reasonable knowledge
of the FAR's and furthermore have an understaning of CRM.

as we are all aware, many GA aircraft are equipped with "dual"
controls and instumentation, however, depending on the aircraft the
left seat is configured as the primary control station, with
reduced/limited access from the right seat, limited further if a body
is in that seat, limited even further if it is occupied by a non
pilot.

so again, what purpose would it serve to position a non pilot in the
left seat and place yourself in the right seat, why would you want to
limit access to full control of the aircraft.

you may be able to find a loophole in the FAR's, renters policy or
insurance requirements to allow you to do this "legally", though even
posing the question indicates a complete failure to understand CRM and
lack of professionalism. if i found one of my pilots acting in this
manner he would never be in one of my cockpits again forthwith.

In the third paragraph
they say that it is illegal for a non-instructor pilot to fly in the
right seat with a non-pilot in the left seat.


In the United States, there is no regulation as far as I know that dictates
what seat the Pilot In Command must utilize, except that it must be a control
seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls. Nothing I am aware of
prevents a pilot from flying solo in the right seat, the front seat, the back
seat, or even a passenger seat (with strings attached to the yoke).

I believe the author is incorrect.

Jose


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Teacherjh wrote:
In the United States, there is no regulation as far as I know that
dictates
what seat the Pilot In Command must utilize, except that it must be a
control
seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls.

To which FAR are you referring?

Hilton

except that it must be a control
seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls.

To which FAR are you referring?


Oh, you're gonna make me look it up. I find:
91.105 (flight crewmembers at stations). It does not mention "control seat"; I
must have misremembered that. But it does imply that it must be a "station",
by which I take it they mean a seat designed for and intended for a pilot or
appropriate crewmember. I don't think the FAA would go for the idea that the
passenger seat in the third row of a saratoga consititues a "station".

Jose




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Teacherjh wrote:

except that it must be a control
seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls.

To which FAR are you referring?


Oh, you're gonna make me look it up. I find:
91.105 (flight crewmembers at stations). It does not mention "control
seat"; I
must have misremembered that. But it does imply that it must be a
"station",
by which I take it they mean a seat designed for and intended for a pilot
or
appropriate crewmember. I don't think the FAA would go for the idea that
the
passenger seat in the third row of a saratoga consititues a "station".

Jose,

OK, I was looking at 91.105 too, but thought there may have been an
additional requirement somewhere else. Since it does not say "control
seat", I believe the PIC therefore is not required to be at a control seat.
Heavy iron pilots - correct me if I'm wrong, but the PIC of a 747 can ACT
and LOG PIC while sleeping in his bed. Am I correct?

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote
Heavy iron pilots - correct me if I'm wrong, but the PIC of a
747 can ACT and LOG PIC while sleeping in his bed. Am I correct?


You are correct!

Bob Moore

Hilton wrote:
Teacherjh wrote:

except that it must be a control
seat, which I take to mean a seat with controls.

To which FAR are you referring?


Oh, you're gonna make me look it up. I find:
91.105 (flight crewmembers at stations). It does not mention "control

seat"; I

must have misremembered that. But it does imply that it must be a

"station",

by which I take it they mean a seat designed for and intended for a pilot

or

appropriate crewmember. I don't think the FAA would go for the idea that

the

passenger seat in the third row of a saratoga consititues a "station".


Jose,

OK, I was looking at 91.105 too, but thought there may have been an
additional requirement somewhere else. Since it does not say "control
seat", I believe the PIC therefore is not required to be at a control seat.
Heavy iron pilots - correct me if I'm wrong, but the PIC of a 747 can ACT
and LOG PIC while sleeping in his bed. Am I correct?

Hilton



I believe this applies only to the ATP certficate, which a 747 captain
certainly would hold.


Matt