Spin training

john smith wrote:
In article . com,
"vlado" wrote:

Viperdoc wrote:
Beggs-Mueller does not work for all planes (although it does for Pitts'),
and some pilots do not necessarily believe in letting go of the stick for a
recovery, preferring to "fly" out of the spin.

What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?

Cessna 150.
Note that the Christen Eagle and Pitts were the only acro aircraft
tested extensively. Limited testing was done with the C-150.
Gene Beggs did not have the time nor the money to carry out extensive
testing on popular GA trainers and cruisers.
This research was conducted in the early 1980's.

If anyone needs to know, Beggs-Mueller does work for the T-6, T-28 and
P-51 aircraft.
VL

vlado wrote:

What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?
Thx,
VL
Decathlons for Inverted Spins, as I recall. (They sometimes
need a little pull on the stick to get them to pop out of the
inverted spin.)

I'm actually surprised that it works on a T-6. The few times
I've spun a Harvard, it seemed to take 1-2turns after full
opposite rudder and the stick was well forward before it
stopped. (I'm actually going to waste an absurd amount
of money going on a couple of trips with Lee in the TF51
at the end of Nov. If we get as far as spins, I'm curious to
hear what he says. I've heard even Bob Hoover wasn't too
comfortable spinning the P51. I vaguely recall reading
that he said "some were ok, others not so good"?)

Can't wait until end of Nov, rick

Be very careful with spinning the F51. I've read reports of
pilots doing simulated dog-fights at 10,000 over the
Pacific. One pilot looses sight of the other, looks around
and then sees a splash . I'd sure I had a good parachute.



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| vlado wrote:
|
| What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?
| Thx,
| VL
| Decathlons for Inverted Spins, as I recall. (They
sometimes
| need a little pull on the stick to get them to pop out of
the
| inverted spin.)
|
| I'm actually surprised that it works on a T-6. The few
times
| I've spun a Harvard, it seemed to take 1-2turns after full
| opposite rudder and the stick was well forward before it
| stopped. (I'm actually going to waste an absurd amount
| of money going on a couple of trips with Lee in the TF51
| at the end of Nov. If we get as far as spins, I'm curious
to
| hear what he says. I've heard even Bob Hoover wasn't too
| comfortable spinning the P51. I vaguely recall reading
| that he said "some were ok, others not so good"?)
|
| Can't wait until end of Nov, rick
|

wrote:
vlado wrote:

What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?
Thx,
VL
Decathlons for Inverted Spins, as I recall. (They sometimes
need a little pull on the stick to get them to pop out of the
inverted spin.)

I'm actually surprised that it works on a T-6. The few times
I've spun a Harvard, it seemed to take 1-2turns after full
opposite rudder and the stick was well forward before it
stopped. (I'm actually going to waste an absurd amount
of money going on a couple of trips with Lee in the TF51
at the end of Nov. If we get as far as spins, I'm curious to
hear what he says. I've heard even Bob Hoover wasn't too
comfortable spinning the P51. I vaguely recall reading
that he said "some were ok, others not so good"?)

Can't wait until end of Nov, rick

In these warbirds, recovery from a right spin is quicker than a left
spin. That being said, some T-6s recover quicker than others; I have a
friend whose SNJ-5 will recover in a HALF turn from either left or
right right spins (I have dibbs on this airframe if he ever sells it).
Also, the more turns you go beyond two or so, the longer it takes to
recover: the spin is more "developed". T-28s are awful to spin;
watching the top of the wing constantly 'oil-canning' is extremely
distracting(sic)!!! But for all of them, in a training situation, you
really have to coax them into a spin; definate control inputs are
needed and be maintained (esp. the P-51), otherwise they roll-off into
spirals or such.

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:23:24 GMT, "Steven Barnes"
wrote:

Never lost my lunch! I

I took the aerobat course at Chandler AZ because locally we aren't
allowed to spin our Cubs. It was April, I think, hot enough already at
Phoenix. I did 90 minutes in the morning and 90 minutes in the
afternoon, going back to the motel between times. Halfway from field
to motel was a stockyard. By the third day it was all I could do to
get past the stockyard without tossing my breakfast.

I thought the training was great. Everyone should do it, not just
instructors.