Saddam Capture - End to resistance?

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From: (Tuollaf43)
Date: 12/14/2003 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The capture of Saddam Hussein (assuming that he is saddam and not a
double or a plant) is a great morale boost for the US and assorted
allies in Iraq. Wonder what effect, if any, it will have on continued
resistance in Iraq.

Based on post WW2 Germany's experience we can expect another year or two of
armed resistance. The Nazi Werewolves attacked accupying troops as well as
Germans who were "collaborating" for at least two years.

There was a dislike of occupation and "de Nazification" programs as well as the
war crimes trials. It was only after the Nazis accepted Hitler was dead and
accepted they could not retake power that they quit.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

B2431 wrote:

From: (Tuollaf43)
Date: 12/14/2003 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The capture of Saddam Hussein (assuming that he is saddam and not a
double or a plant) is a great morale boost for the US and assorted
allies in Iraq. Wonder what effect, if any, it will have on continued
resistance in Iraq.


Based on post WW2 Germany's experience we can expect another year or two of
armed resistance. The Nazi Werewolves attacked accupying troops as well as
Germans who were "collaborating" for at least two years.

There was a dislike of occupation and "de Nazification" programs as well as the
war crimes trials. It was only after the Nazis accepted Hitler was dead and
accepted they could not retake power that they quit.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

It also helped that a number of the Werewolves were captured, with the
help of other Germans, and were then put before a firing squad.

Interesting note there Dan, one of the history channels on satellite
just had a program on this weekend about the Werewolves.

George

From: George Shirley


B2431 wrote:

From: (Tuollaf43)
Date: 12/14/2003 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The capture of Saddam Hussein (assuming that he is saddam and not a
double or a plant) is a great morale boost for the US and assorted
allies in Iraq. Wonder what effect, if any, it will have on continued
resistance in Iraq.


Based on post WW2 Germany's experience we can expect another year or two of
armed resistance. The Nazi Werewolves attacked accupying troops as well as
Germans who were "collaborating" for at least two years.

There was a dislike of occupation and "de Nazification" programs as well as
the
war crimes trials. It was only after the Nazis accepted Hitler was dead and
accepted they could not retake power that they quit.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

It also helped that a number of the Werewolves were captured, with the
help of other Germans, and were then put before a firing squad.

Interesting note there Dan, one of the history channels on satellite
just had a program on this weekend about the Werewolves.

George

I saw that too. I was surprised they insisted the stuff they presented "was not
well known." Most people I know knew about it.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

B2431 wrote:
From: George Shirley


B2431 wrote:


From: (Tuollaf43)
Date: 12/14/2003 7:44 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

The capture of Saddam Hussein (assuming that he is saddam and not a
double or a plant) is a great morale boost for the US and assorted
allies in Iraq. Wonder what effect, if any, it will have on continued
resistance in Iraq.


Based on post WW2 Germany's experience we can expect another year or two of
armed resistance. The Nazi Werewolves attacked accupying troops as well as
Germans who were "collaborating" for at least two years.

There was a dislike of occupation and "de Nazification" programs as well as

the

war crimes trials. It was only after the Nazis accepted Hitler was dead and
accepted they could not retake power that they quit.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

It also helped that a number of the Werewolves were captured, with the
help of other Germans, and were then put before a firing squad.

Interesting note there Dan, one of the history channels on satellite
just had a program on this weekend about the Werewolves.

George


I saw that too. I was surprised they insisted the stuff they presented "was not
well known." Most people I know knew about it.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Had a history prof way back when who had been an Army Combat historian
and Dr. Wooster taught a class about just that. First time I had heard
of it and that must have been about 1973 or 74 (I was a late bloomer,
mid-thirties when I went to college). He was there at the time and was
very familiar with the subject. Dr. Wooster was one of the reasons my
minor ended up being in history. BG

George

On 14 Dec 2003 19:40:29 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Based on post WW2 Germany's experience we can expect another year or two of
armed resistance. The Nazi Werewolves attacked accupying troops as well as
Germans who were "collaborating" for at least two years.

With a remarkable lack of success, in that case. There were no
post-conflict combat-related American deaths during the occupation of
Germany and Japan after WW2.
(http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/...MR1753.ch9.pdf) That is a
significant contrast to the American experience in Iraq.

Scott

From: Scott MacEachern


On 14 Dec 2003 19:40:29 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Based on post WW2 Germany's experience we can expect another year or two of
armed resistance. The Nazi Werewolves attacked accupying troops as well as
Germans who were "collaborating" for at least two years.

With a remarkable lack of success, in that case. There were no
post-conflict combat-related American deaths during the occupation of
Germany and Japan after WW2.
(http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/...MR1753.ch9.pdf) That is a
significant contrast to the American experience in Iraq.

Scott

Your link didn't work for me.

As for post "combat deaths" during the occupation of Germany the History
Channel gave a rather low number (38?). If you do reasearch looking for "combat
deaths" post surrender you may not find any since they woudn't be considered
"combat."

I have seen numbers in excess of 400.

Check out photgraphs and film footage of jeeps being driven around post
surrender with vertical bars mounted on the bumper. The bars were to prevent
decapitation by wires strung accross a road. I don't know how many
decapitations/injuries happened post surrender, but they did happen.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

On 14 Dec 2003 23:11:41 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Your link didn't work for me.

As for post "combat deaths" during the occupation of Germany the History
Channel gave a rather low number (38?). If you do reasearch looking for "combat
deaths" post surrender you may not find any since they woudn't be considered
"combat."

Possibly an issue with Acrobat? The home page for the publication is
http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1753/

The book considers American involvement in nation-building operations
in seven different cases -- Germany, Japan, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia,
Kosovo, and Afghanistan. In all cases, the authors are looking at
experiences after conflict has ended, and post-surrender combat deaths
certainly seem to be what they're counting.

Scott

In article ,
Scott MacEachern wrote:

On 14 Dec 2003 23:11:41 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Your link didn't work for me.

As for post "combat deaths" during the occupation of Germany the
History Channel gave a rather low number (38?). If you do reasearch
looking for "combat deaths" post surrender you may not find any
since they woudn't be considered "combat."

Possibly an issue with Acrobat? The home page for the publication is
http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1753/

The book considers American involvement in nation-building operations
in seven different cases -- Germany, Japan, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia,
Kosovo, and Afghanistan. In all cases, the authors are looking at
experiences after conflict has ended, and post-surrender combat deaths
certainly seem to be what they're counting.

The odd bit is that we keep hearing about *all* US deaths (accidents,
medical issues, and combat-related deaths) in Iraq, but only hear about
direct combat-related deaths after WWII.

And if you think we had a half-million GIs running around in Germany for
several months in 1945 and 1946 without so much as a traffic accident or
a heart attack...

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