Presidents What Has Been Shot At

wrote in message ...
Compiling the list just for fun.
(Snipped alot of interesting stuff)

Service academy graduates 0 yes 2 no

Army/AF vets 0 yes 4 no
Navy 4 yes 2 no

Conclusions: Damfino

Maybe there isn't a real pattern.

Bob McKellar



Service Academy graduates, don't you mean 2 yes (President Eisenhower - West
Point & President Carter - USNA)

And I don't understand your VETs info. Just to confirm;

Navy- Presidents, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, George Bush
Army - Presidents, Truman (NG), Eisenhower, Reagan (R)
AF - President, GW Bush (NG)

* NG & R represent original service, were Presidents Bush, Kennedy, and
Johnson USN or USNR? Kinda have a reference for the USNR, being one myself.

We're prob saying the same I'm just missing it. Also interesting;

Branches;
Army; Infantry - Eisenhower
Cavalry - Reagan (then PAO)
Artillery (Red Leg) - Truman
Navy; Aviator - Bush
Surface - Ford, Kennedy (originally INTEL)
Submariner - Carter
Supply - Nixon
Air Force; Pilot (Fighter) - GW Bush

Pretty broad range of communities.

Anybody know what LBJs designator was?

v/r
Ward

"Ward C. Douglas" wrote:

wrote in message ...
Compiling the list just for fun.
(Snipped alot of interesting stuff)

Service academy graduates 0 yes 2 no

Army/AF vets 0 yes 4 no
Navy 4 yes 2 no

Conclusions: Damfino

Maybe there isn't a real pattern.

Bob McKellar


Service Academy graduates, don't you mean 2 yes (President Eisenhower - West
Point & President Carter - USNA)

And I don't understand your VETs info. Just to confirm;

Navy- Presidents, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, George Bush
Army - Presidents, Truman (NG), Eisenhower, Reagan (R)
AF - President, GW Bush (NG)

* NG & R represent original service, were Presidents Bush, Kennedy, and
Johnson USN or USNR? Kinda have a reference for the USNR, being one myself.

We're prob saying the same I'm just missing it. Also interesting;

Branches;
Army; Infantry - Eisenhower
Cavalry - Reagan (then PAO)
Artillery (Red Leg) - Truman
Navy; Aviator - Bush
Surface - Ford, Kennedy (originally INTEL)
Submariner - Carter
Supply - Nixon
Air Force; Pilot (Fighter) - GW Bush

Pretty broad range of communities.

Anybody know what LBJs designator was?

v/r
Ward

The yes and no referred to getting shot at. I found it interesting that neither
of the two academy guys ever got shot at. I don't think it particularly means
anything, but it is interesting.

Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in a plane
that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it were bogus,
but the bullets were apparently real.

BTW, most posts around here with the slightest tinge of politics begin with a
conclusion and work backwards for evidence. This one was actually done without
any predisposition, motivated principally by beer and boredom last night.

Bob

Bob;

Your right about the posts. I'd be interested to see if Johnson was a
GURL.




v/r
Ward
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: Your right about the posts. I'd be interested to see if Johnson was a
: GURL.

Nowadays they are called GENURLs.
But Johnson was a USNR Lt. Cmdr. (he made Commander post war).

regards,
-----------------------------------------------------

B

: Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in a plane
: that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it were bogus,
: but the bullets were apparently real.

I wouldn't call the missio "bogus." The aerial missions were very
real, it's just that LBJ volunteered to go along. His being a congresscritter
probably assisted in the process, and he may have done it specifically in
order to fight charges of being 'yellow'. His previous military duties had
been in war production and inspection tours. However, the bullets were ver
real. On the other hand, most agree that Mac was kissing arse when he
handed out that star....
Personally, I think that keeping serving congressfolks out of
uniform is a splendid idea. ISTR that FDR got some flak for making that
decision, but I think it was the right one.

BTW, does anyone know specifically if Nixon was present during a
bombing? Would that get counted as "shot at"? Nixon served on Guadalcanal.
It was right after the pullout of Japanese ground troops, but didn't
Henderson field still get bombed once in a while? He was a supply officer
with the Pacific air forces, but bombs (like rain) fall on all alike....

regards,
------------------------------------------------

Steven James Forsberg wrote:

B

: Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in a plane
: that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it were bogus,
: but the bullets were apparently real.

I wouldn't call the missio "bogus." The aerial missions were very
real, it's just that LBJ volunteered to go along. His being a congresscritter
probably assisted in the process, and he may have done it specifically in
order to fight charges of being 'yellow'. His previous military duties had
been in war production and inspection tours. However, the bullets were ver
real. On the other hand, most agree that Mac was kissing arse when he
handed out that star....
Personally, I think that keeping serving congressfolks out of
uniform is a splendid idea. ISTR that FDR got some flak for making that
decision, but I think it was the right one.

BTW, does anyone know specifically if Nixon was present during a
bombing? Would that get counted as "shot at"? Nixon served on Guadalcanal.
It was right after the pullout of Japanese ground troops, but didn't
Henderson field still get bombed once in a while? He was a supply officer
with the Pacific air forces, but bombs (like rain) fall on all alike....

regards,
------------------------------------------------


Since I got so much wrong earlier, I shall nitpickingly ( wait till the spell checker
sees that one! ) defend myself. I said "His" mission was bogus, not "The" mission,
on purpose, because I see the story the same way you do.

Bob.

: Since I got so much wrong earlier, I shall nitpickingly ( wait till the spell checker
: sees that one! ) defend myself. I said "His" mission was bogus, not "The" mission,
: on purpose, because I see the story the same way you do.

I shall see your nitpickingly and raise you an argumentational!
"His" mission was as an observer, which was not a bogus mission, just
one that anybody with eyeballs could pretty much accomplish. (awaiting flames
from highly qualified former observers...)
ISTR when I was in that the local helicopter units carried "observers"
when on SAR training missions and such. Almost invariably, they were
attractive young women who had been met at the club. I guess they didn't
have any nurses around so LBJ had to do. :-)

regards,
---------------------------------------------

Steven James Forsberg wrote in message ...
B

: Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in a plane
: that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it were bogus,
: but the bullets were apparently real.

I wouldn't call the missio "bogus." The aerial missions were very
real, it's just that LBJ volunteered to go along. His being a congresscritter
probably assisted in the process, and he may have done it specifically in
order to fight charges of being 'yellow'. His previous military duties had
been in war production and inspection tours. However, the bullets were ver
real. On the other hand, most agree that Mac was kissing arse when he
handed out that star....
Personally, I think that keeping serving congressfolks out of
uniform is a splendid idea. ISTR that FDR got some flak for making that
decision, but I think it was the right one.

BTW, does anyone know specifically if Nixon was present during a
bombing? Would that get counted as "shot at"? Nixon served on Guadalcanal.
It was right after the pullout of Japanese ground troops, but didn't
Henderson field still get bombed once in a while? He was a supply officer
with the Pacific air forces, but bombs (like rain) fall on all alike....



No mention of good Quaker Nixon getting bombed, I'm sure after he made
Congressman if there was a half-truth that could be inflated to hero
status he would gotten it. He is a home-town boy and I didn't hear any
thing that could pass as secert dope that Dickie had been brave.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-8.htm
Nixon became an attorney for the Office of Emergency Management in
Washington, D.C. where he worked until he accepted an appointment as
lieutenant junior grade in the United States Naval Reserve on 15 June
1942.


Following his appointment, Nixon began aviation indoctrination
training at the Naval Training School, Naval Air Station in Quonset
Point, Rhode Island. After completing the course in October 1942, he
went to the Naval Reserve Aviation Base in Ottumwa, Iowa, where he
served as Aide to the Executive Officer until May 1943. Looking for
more excitement, Nixon volunteered for sea duty and reported to
Commander Air Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet where he was assigned as
Officer in Charge of the South Pacific Combat Air Transport Command at
Guadalcanal in the Solomons and later at Green Island. His unit
prepared manifests and flight plans for C-47 operations and supervised
the loading and unloading of the cargo aircraft. For this service he
received a Letter of Commendation from the Commander South Pacific
Area and South Pacific Force for "meritorious and efficient
performance of duty as Officer in Charge of the South Pacific Combat
Air Transport Command... " On 1 October 1943, Nixon was promoted to
lieutenant.


From August through December of 1944, Nixon was assigned to Fleet Air
Wing EIGHT. From December through March 1945, he served at the Bureau
of Aeronautics, Navy Department, Washington, D.C. In March, his next
assignment was as the Bureau of Aeronautics Contracting Officer for
Terminations in the Office of the Bureau of Aeronautics General
Representative, Eastern District, headquartered in New York City. In
that capacity he had temporary additional duty at various places,
including Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Buffalo, New York City, and
East Hartford, Connecticut. When he was released from active duty on
10 March 1946. He was promoted to Commander in the Naval Reserve on 1
June 1953.


While on active duty besides the Letter of Commendation, Nixon earned
the American Campaign Medal, the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal, and
the World War II Victory Medal. He is entitled to two engagement stars
on the Asiatic- Pacific Campaign Medal for supporting air action in
the Treasury- Bougainville operations from 27 October to 15 December
1943 and for consolidation of the northern Solomons from 15 December
1943 to 22 July 1944. Nixon transferred to the Retired Reserve of the
Naval Reserve on 1 June 1966.

add: Lt. Richard M. Nixon's Letter of Commendation Citation

COMMENDATION BY COMSOPAC, 25 SEP 1944
TO
LIEUTENANT RICHARD MILHOUS NIXON
UNITED STATES NAVAL RESERVE


"For meritorious and efficient performance of duty as
Officer-in-Charge of the South Pacific Combat Air Transport Command at
Bougainville and later at Green Islands from January 1 to June 16,
1944. During this period, Lieutenant Nixon displayed sound judgment
and initiative in organizing the South Pacific Combat Air Transport
Command activities at both Bougainville and Green Islands. He
established the efficient liaison which made possible the immediate
supply by air of vital material and key personnel, and the prompt
evacuation of battle casualties from these stations to rear areas. His
able leadership, tireless efforts and devotion to duty were in keeping
with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

Pertinent verses from H.M.S. Pinafore, slightly altered to fit the
circumstances

5. I was so brave that I was sent
By Commie bashing into Parliament.
I always voted at my party's call,
And I never thought of thinking for myself at all.
He never thought of thinking for himself at all.
I thought so little, they rewarded me
By making me the Ruler of the Whole Navee!
He thought so little, they rewarded he
By making him the Ruler of the Whole Navee!

6. Now landsmen all, whoever you may be,
If you want to rise to the top of the tree,
If your soul isn't fettered to an office stool,
Be careful to be guided by this golden rule
Be careful to be guided by this golden rule.
Stick close to your desks and never go to sea,
And you all may be rulers of the Whole Navee!
Stick close to your desks and never go to sea,
And you all may be rulers of the Whole Navee!

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
om...
Steven James Forsberg wrote in message
...
B

: Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in
a plane
: that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it
were bogus,
: but the bullets were apparently real.

I wouldn't call the missio "bogus." The aerial missions were very
real, it's just that LBJ volunteered to go along. His being a
congresscritter
probably assisted in the process, and he may have done it specifically
in
order to fight charges of being 'yellow'. His previous military duties
had
been in war production and inspection tours. However, the bullets were
ver
real. On the other hand, most agree that Mac was kissing arse when he
handed out that star....
Personally, I think that keeping serving congressfolks out of
uniform is a splendid idea. ISTR that FDR got some flak for making that
decision, but I think it was the right one.

BTW, does anyone know specifically if Nixon was present during a
bombing? Would that get counted as "shot at"? Nixon served on
Guadalcanal.
It was right after the pullout of Japanese ground troops, but didn't
Henderson field still get bombed once in a while? He was a supply
officer
with the Pacific air forces, but bombs (like rain) fall on all alike....



No mention of good Quaker Nixon getting bombed, I'm sure after he made
Congressman if there was a half-truth that could be inflated to hero
status he would gotten it. He is a home-town boy and I didn't hear any
thing that could pass as secert dope that Dickie had been brave.

You go on to list an article that indicates he served his years, did his
duty, actually sought to get into the combat theater...and yet all you can
do is poke fun at him. He never claimed to be a combat hero, and he never
was awarded a bogus Silver Star like LBJ. He did not come back home and
start labeling his compatriots as war criminals without a sound basis in
fact, as your buddy Kerry did. So just what is your beef with Nixon's
service? Would you like him better if he had made up stuff, like you have
done with your laughable "trained on demo at Camp Perry" crap, Jack?

Brooks

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Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in a plane
that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it were bogus,
but the bullets were apparently real.

No, the bullets weren't real. Johnson's plane turned back early and
was never part of the mission as accomplished. Quoting here, referring
to Martin Caiden's "The Mission" upon which all these accounts are
based:

The passage was a gripping account of courage under fire -- except,
according to the sole surviving crew member -- it was pure fiction.

"No way," said retired Army Staff Sgt. Bob Marshall. "No, that story
was made up, put in there in my mind by the author of the book. 'Cause
we never seen Zero, was never attacked. Nothing."



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