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IFR Cancellation Question
A Lieberma wrote: IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground??? ATC takes no overt action to cancel an IFR aircraft landing at a towered field. You just land. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Robert Chambers wrote: Or unless you cancel in the air which is sometimes easier to do at a field with no RCO or a tower that is closed. You can also cancel in the air to help people out, I've been on an IFR plan (but by the time I was approaching the field was VFR conditions) and I heard a Jet at the hold short "ready for release" the tower said "I have one IFR arrival inbound, expect a 3 minute delay" once that was acknowledged I said "N1234 is cancelling IFR at this time" got the cancellation and they released the jet to go before I got there. The jet jockey (which surprised me) threw me a thank you before he got switched over to approach. Anything to make the system work that makes sense is ok in my book. Three lousy minutes? The tower should have used visual separation and let the jet go. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Mark Hansen wrote: So I wonder if the confusion came when ATC told Allen to Squawk VFR? This just means that you're no longer in radar contact, and not that you're no longer IFR, right? No, that measn the controller thought you were VFR. Or, are you supposed to maintain your transponder code until changed by ATC or you cancel IFR - even if radar service is terminated? If you are terminated you still stay on your code unless you are now going to be VFR. |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
Yes, you can get an altitude assignment while VFR, but you can't (properly) get one from Seattle Center while VFR. Reporting the field serves a purpose if you're IFR, but not if you're VFR. When I get flight following from New York Approach, they always ask me to report the field in sight. (This is for both controlled and uncontrolled fields.) This is for airports that are NOT in the Bravo airspace -- they're either near or underneath it. I assume the purpose it serves is it tells them when they can terminate flight following. .... Alan -- Alan Gerber PP-ASEL gerber AT panix DOT com |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Robert Chambers wrote in news%keh.20495
: You can also cancel in the air to help people out, I've been on an IFR plan (but by the time I was approaching the field was VFR conditions) and I heard a Jet at the hold short "ready for release" the tower said "I have one IFR arrival inbound, expect a 3 minute delay" once that was acknowledged I said "N1234 is cancelling IFR at this time" got the cancellation and they released the jet to go before I got there. The jet jockey (which surprised me) threw me a thank you before he got switched over to approach. Anything to make the system work that makes sense is ok in my book. Absolutely agree Robert. I like to be a "good neighbor" but not at the cost of safety of course. Once I get a visual on my airport (KMBO - uncontrolled), I do cancel IFR as soon as I can. The very same situation happened to me, and I was on the ground, and I had really appreciated it myself so because one person did it for me, I am determine to "pay it forward" any chance I get so long as my skin is not jeapordized. I generally can tell approach also appreciates my cancellation by the sound of their voice when they say "cancellation received" as I am sure it helps them as well. One other time, I was on the ground, picking up my clearance on a MVFR day, and CD was kind enough to clue me in to depart visually (was never taught this in my IFR training) and pick up my clearance in the air as there would have been a 15 minute delay for incoming IFR traffic. Ceilings were 2500, so I had no problem with the choice given. Allen |
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Mark Hansen wrote in
: So I wonder if the confusion came when ATC told Allen to Squawk VFR? This just means that you're no longer in radar contact, and not that you're no longer IFR, right? Mark, My experiences operating in areas of no radar coverage (NOT what happened here in my original post) is that you maintain your transponder code and work with "reporting points" as required under IFR enroute rules. I was in Charlie airspace when I was told to squawk VFR in my original post, thus my confusion Or, are you supposed to maintain your transponder code until changed by ATC or you cancel IFR - even if radar service is terminated? For no radar coverage, you maintain your transponder code. I had asked when this happened to me the first time and Center advised me to retain the code and when I come out of the non radar environment, he would pick me up. I'd rather sound dumb on the radio then do something dumb :-)) I think the only thing that was missing in Allen's case was the clearance to fly the visual approach. EXACTLY right! AND the IFR cancellation received, squawk VFR" buzz words I learn to know and love. Those rank up there with "cleared to land" at a controlled airport :-) Allen |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Alan Gerber wrote in
: I assume the purpose it serves is it tells them when they can terminate flight following. Alan, VFR flight following is workload permitted basis. So, like you, I have experienced the same, approach asking me to advise airport in sight. Approach can tell you to squawk VFR, have a good day well before you have a visual on VFR flight following. In my area, I have never had that done except once when I was arriving after the ATC shut down for the night. Generally IN MY AREA, if it's that busy, approach much rather you squawk and talk then not. But I am only dealing with C airspace. For IFR, a visual approach requires sight of the airport / runway environment, and ATC cannot terminate your IFR until you request it (I.E cancel IFR like in my case at an uncontrolled airport) or land at a controlled airport. Allen |
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IFR Cancellation Question
A Lieberma wrote:
Alan Gerber wrote in I assume the purpose it serves is it tells them when they can terminate flight following. VFR flight following is workload permitted basis. I guess I worded that poorly. Of course they can terminate flight following whenever they need to. Once the field is in sight, you pretty much *need* to terminate flight following -- either to contact the tower, for a towered field, or to start talking on CTAF, otherwise. So, like you, I have experienced the same, approach asking me to advise airport in sight. Approach can tell you to squawk VFR, have a good day well before you have a visual on VFR flight following. In my area, I have never had that done except once when I was arriving after the ATC shut down for the night. I've had that done on occasion -- including my long student X-C solo. I assumed they weren't able to do the handoff, especially since they gave me the frequency to try myself later. .... Alan -- Alan Gerber PP-ASEL gerber AT panix DOT com |
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On 12/08/06 17:50, A Lieberma wrote:
Alan Gerber wrote in : I assume the purpose it serves is it tells them when they can terminate flight following. Alan, VFR flight following is workload permitted basis. So, like you, I have experienced the same, approach asking me to advise airport in sight. Approach can tell you to squawk VFR, have a good day well before you have a visual on VFR flight following. In my area, I have never had that done except once when I was arriving after the ATC shut down for the night. Generally IN MY AREA, if it's that busy, approach much rather you squawk and talk then not. But I am only dealing with C airspace. For IFR, a visual approach requires sight of the airport / runway environment, .... or sight of the airplane ahead of you... and ATC cannot terminate your IFR until you request it (I.E cancel IFR like in my case at an uncontrolled airport) or land at a controlled airport. Allen -- Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA |
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IFR Cancellation Question
Newps wrote: Three lousy minutes? The tower should have used visual separation and let the jet go. Our tower is special, there's lots of things they "should" do but don't. |
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