Unnecessary verbiage or sensible redundancy?

In Canada we tend to use the leading zero.
So I would always say downwind zero five,
never downwind five

Tony


In article . net,
"Tony Cox" wrote:

I've had a smoldering dispute with a CFI friend of mine for
years about whether to announce (say) "zero-two" or just
"two" when operating at an uncontrolled field with runways
2-20. My friend is of the opinion that the extra "zero" is
superfluous, whereas I've always instinctively said "zero-two"
without really understanding why I do it. It has always "just
seemed right", with a blank in the orderly transmission of
information that cried out to be filled.

This weekend I felt vindicated. As I started to taxi out at
0L7 (two runways, 2-20R and 2-20L), I was not particularly
surprised to hear a Cherokee doing touch-and-gos on runway 2 (the
wind was 5 out of the north). Listening to several calls as I
prepared to depart, I finally caught a "two-zero" -- the fellow,
out of exuberance or lack of currency was letting his finger
slip off the transmit button to give an entirely erroneous and
completely believable false impression of what he was up to.
Turns out he was practicing downwind landings. Add to that
that the airport is right traffic for 20 and left for 02, the potential
for disaster is evident.

So what do instructors teach these days? Do you add the
extra zero or not?




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Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
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Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

My airport is 02/20, and so is the one 52 NM away that I often fly to.

I say Zero Two, and so do most other people. I've occasionally heard
it called "Two". I think Zero Two is safer -- BUT:

I don't understand why anyone would designate an airport that way.
Chances are it's fairly close to 1/19 or 3/21. What difference could
it possibly make at a non=towered field to avoid this potentially
dangerous combination?

When I first got a radio, I had a terrible time with the runway
numbers, and at least once I announced that I was taking off on Two
Zero when I was heading north. I may have done it other times without
realizing it.
all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote:

My airport is 02/20, and so is the one 52 NM away that I often fly to.
I say Zero Two, and so do most other people. I've occasionally heard
it called "Two". I think Zero Two is safer -- BUT:

I'm also based at an airport with a 02/20 runway. I always say "zero
two". To me, it sounds weird to just say "two".


I don't understand why anyone would designate an airport that way.
Chances are it's fairly close to 1/19 or 3/21. What difference could
it possibly make at a non=towered field to avoid this potentially
dangerous combination?

One thing would be the often used practice of resetting your DG when you
pull onto the runway. Presently, the runway heading is the magnetic
heading rounded to the NEAREST 10th. If the rounded the other way, some
people's DG would be off by more than 5 degrees. In practice, that's
probably not a big deal, but that the only thing I could think of.

--- Jay


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On 01 Sep 2004 11:31:57 GMT, (Jay Masino)
wrote:

One thing would be the often used practice of resetting your DG when you
pull onto the runway. Presently, the runway heading is the magnetic
heading rounded to the NEAREST 10th.

Jay, my airport is a rather lumpy, 250-foot wide, 2,500=foot long
refined pasture. I doubt anyone has ever reset his gyro on it

(But the other runway I mentioned is indeed asphalt, 50 feet wide, and
your point is well taken. I didn't think of that. No gyro in the Cub!)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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I teach my students to say 'zero-six'. There isn't much 'unnecessary
verbiage' in adding 'zero', and I think it reduces confusion, and adds
consistency.

Cap


"Tony Cox" wrote in message link.net...
I've had a smoldering dispute with a CFI friend of mine for
years about whether to announce (say) "zero-two" or just
"two" when operating at an uncontrolled field with runways
2-20. My friend is of the opinion that the extra "zero" is
superfluous, whereas I've always instinctively said "zero-two"
without really understanding why I do it. It has always "just
seemed right", with a blank in the orderly transmission of
information that cried out to be filled.

This weekend I felt vindicated. As I started to taxi out at
0L7 (two runways, 2-20R and 2-20L), I was not particularly
surprised to hear a Cherokee doing touch-and-gos on runway 2 (the
wind was 5 out of the north). Listening to several calls as I
prepared to depart, I finally caught a "two-zero" -- the fellow,
out of exuberance or lack of currency was letting his finger
slip off the transmit button to give an entirely erroneous and
completely believable false impression of what he was up to.
Turns out he was practicing downwind landings. Add to that
that the airport is right traffic for 20 and left for 02, the potential
for disaster is evident.

So what do instructors teach these days? Do you add the
extra zero or not?