report runway incursion non-towered airport?

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Seems to me the Citation pilot fell short of his obligation. Perhaps
as the more experienced pilot he figured he knew he had time to take
off without jeopardizing the other plane.


Yup, and he may have figured correctly.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Seems to me the Citation pilot fell short of his obligation. Perhaps
as the more experienced pilot he figured he knew he had time to take
off without jeopardizing the other plane.


Yup, and he may have figured correctly.

Interesting how you snipped the rest of Dan's post:

Of course he should have called. It's never a good idea to spook
somebody controlling a heavy object at high speed.

Agree with you, Dan.

"Robert Coffey" wrote in message
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are radio calls mandatory on uncontrolled fields?

No, not least because radios are not mandatory in uncontrolled airspace.

No, radio calls are not mandatory at uncontrolled fields. Obviously
though, the citation isn't a NORAD plane, and he should have been making
calls. Wrong freq sound like it.

"John T" wrote in message
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No, radio calls are not mandatory at uncontrolled fields. Obviously
though, the citation isn't a NORAD plane, and he should have been making
calls. Wrong freq sound like it.


A NORAD plane may have been on UHF.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John T" wrote in message
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No, radio calls are not mandatory at uncontrolled fields. Obviously
though, the citation isn't a NORAD plane, and he should have been making
calls. Wrong freq sound like it.


A NORAD plane may have been on UHF.


And probably would not have been in a Citation at a nontowered airport.

Nor-DOH!

It pays to pay attention. Geezz I wonder how in the world we all got
along before everyone had radios and had to call everyone in the world
before we did anything........
What the hell is wrong with pilots these days?
grumpy old gray haired fart pilot who learned in the 50's ......

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It pays to pay attention.

That's what I was trying to do...

Geezz I wonder how in the world we all got
along before everyone had radios and had to call everyone in the world
before we did anything........

Do you think radios decrease the chances of a collision at non-towered
fields?

What the hell is wrong with pilots these days?

That's exactly what I'm wondering. Life is probabilities. In flying, we
are taught to tilt the probabilities in our favor in dozens of ways. I
don't have to elaborate for a pilot with half a century of experience. We
know the Citation pilot had a radio--not using it, he/she wasn't minimizing
the chances of an accident.

grumpy old gray haired fart pilot who learned in the 50's ......

Best wishes for many more years of safe flying...

"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
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Me: 240 hr PP-ASEL, minding my own business, doing touch & goes at an
untowered field, and scrupulously calling my position in every leg of the
pattern.

The offender: pilot of a small Citation jet.

I saw the Citation taxiing toward the active as I was downwind. I watched
the plane carefully (suspiciously) as there was never any transmission on
the CTAF frequency. I listened to departure on my second radio; he/she
wasn't on that frequency either. When I turned base, the Citation was at
the hold short line adjacent to the active threshold. As I was on 1/4 to
1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the
takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a
360,
landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee.

Should I report this to the FAA? If so, how? When in the course of an
aviation career does someone become so complacent that they don't say
"boo"
before taking an active runway?

We all see lots of idiot drivers on the road. I used to think aviation
was
different, both because the training is more rigorous and because the
stakes
are so much higher. With all the idiotic and careless mistakes I read
about
in NTSB accident reports, I'm beginning to wonder.

Thanks for reading--I'm a little less upset after having written this
down.



I posted a while back about a Gulf Jet that did that to me at my local
untowered field.
I didn't do anything, because everyone makes a mistake...once.
If it happens again, I'll definitely report it.
I'd like to think that if I ever made a mistake (wrong frequency, etc),
someone would cut me some slack.

Adam
N7966L
Beech Super III