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"Corky Scott" wrote ...
"Snopes.com" explains it best:

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the
Internet.

Status: False.
snip
Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent"
have distinctly different meanings - the former is used in the sense
of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is
generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up
or implementing an idea.

So it's a matter of what the definition of 'is' is ... I mean 'create' is.
Exactly what, if anything, did Gore do to 'create' the internet?

Rich

On 31 May 2005 11:28:59 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:

The arguement about President Eisenhower is moot because he never said
it. Since Eisenhower actually had a head on his shouders I doubt he
would have made such a gaffe. If so he would have been able to explain
it. Gore didn't seem to have a clue that his legislation was about the
Web, and that the internet had been invented almost two decades before
his legislation.

Sport Pilot, you must have read the explanation a little bit too
quickly, the Eisenhower comment was meant as a comparison, not a
statement of fact.

Here's the statement:

"If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while
President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have
seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he
"invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went
out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway.
Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force
behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was
the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his
Internet statement. "

The last sentence makes the comparison, it means that Gore was
intending to say that he supported the development of the internet
when it needed support. Granted it was tooting his own horn a bit but
that's what politicians do, and he was after all in a race for
nomination as president of the USA.

Once it got subverted by the talkshow's though, it became conservative
gospel that Al Gore was caught bragging he'd invented the internet.
And he did not say that.

Corky Scott

More information than anyone would ever want to know about Al Gore and
the internet.

Jerry



Well, since I don't really want to know enough about Al to slog through two
pages of links, how abut you summarize it?
--
Jim in NC

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
...
On 31 May 2005 11:28:59 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:

The arguement about President Eisenhower is moot because he never said
it. Since Eisenhower actually had a head on his shouders I doubt he
would have made such a gaffe. If so he would have been able to explain
it. Gore didn't seem to have a clue that his legislation was about the
Web, and that the internet had been invented almost two decades before
his legislation.

Sport Pilot, you must have read the explanation a little bit too
quickly, the Eisenhower comment was meant as a comparison, not a
statement of fact.

Here's the statement:

"If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while
President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have
seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he
"invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went
out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway.
Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force
behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was
the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his
Internet statement. "

The last sentence makes the comparison, it means that Gore was
intending to say that he supported the development of the internet
when it needed support. Granted it was tooting his own horn a bit but
that's what politicians do, and he was after all in a race for
nomination as president of the USA.

Once it got subverted by the talkshow's though, it became conservative
gospel that Al Gore was caught bragging he'd invented the internet.
And he did not say that.

Corky Scott


First, Eisenhower was President when the interstate highway system was
funded and his direct intervention in the political process had a lot to do
with it.

Gore was a Senator long after the Internet had been created and I have yet
to hear what bill he sponsored or even voted for though I'm sure several
went through the Senate during his terms in office.

Let's say for a moment he did sponsor or vote for a bill that did something
to help the Internet grow. I'm sure he also during his time in the Senate
voted for a highway bill. Does that make it an honest statment for him to
say "He helped create the Interstate system"?

On Tue, 31 May 2005 15:17:27 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:

Let's say for a moment he did sponsor or vote for a bill that did something
to help the Internet grow. I'm sure he also during his time in the Senate
voted for a highway bill. Does that make it an honest statment for him to
say "He helped create the Interstate system"?

Granted, he could have used words more carefully: he could have said
"I sponsored a bill to fund further development of the internet" which
would have been more clear, and unassailable.

But he didn't. It may have been what he meant to say, but I guess it
didn't sound presidential enough at the time. Never the less, it
seems obvious, at least to me, that he did not intend to claim that he
had invented the internet.

Corky Scott

On Tue, 31 May 2005 15:17:27 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:

Gore was a Senator long after the Internet had been created and I have yet
to hear what bill he sponsored or even voted for though I'm sure several
went through the Senate during his terms in office.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7746308/

**************
The Associated Press
Updated: 9:25 a.m. ET May 5, 2005

NEW YORK - Al Gore may have been lampooned for taking credit in the
Internet's development, but organizers of the Webby Awards for online
achievements don't find it funny at all.

In part to "set the record straight," they will give Gore a lifetime
achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet,
said Tiffany Shlain, the awards' founder and chairwoman.

"It's just one of those instances someone did amazing work for three
decades as congressman, senator and vice president and it got spun
around into this political mess," Shlain said.

Vint Cerf, undisputedly one of the Internet's key inventors, will give
Gore the award at a June 6 ceremony in New York.

"He is indeed due some thanks and consideration for his early
contributions," Cerf said.

Gore, who boasted in a CNN interview he "took the initiative in
creating the Internet," was only 21 when the Internet was born out of
a Pentagon project.

But after joining Congress eight years later, he promoted high-speed
telecommunications for economic growth and supported funding increases
for the then-fledging network, according to the International Academy
of Digital Arts and Sciences, which presents the annual awards.

He popularized the term "information superhighway" as vice president.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
******************

"Corky Scott" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 15:17:27 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:

Let's say for a moment he did sponsor or vote for a bill that did
something
to help the Internet grow. I'm sure he also during his time in the Senate
voted for a highway bill. Does that make it an honest statment for him to
say "He helped create the Interstate system"?

Granted, he could have used words more carefully: he could have said
"I sponsored a bill to fund further development of the internet" which
would have been more clear, and unassailable.

But he didn't. It may have been what he meant to say, but I guess it
didn't sound presidential enough at the time. Never the less, it
seems obvious, at least to me, that he did not intend to claim that he
had invented the internet.

Corky Scott

I'll assail the hell out of it. What bill did he sponsor?

But you aren't who that comment was aimed at it was the aimed at the great
unwashed masses and he thought for some reason he would get away with trying
to make those great unwashed masses beleive he created the internet.

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
[snip]
First, Eisenhower was President when the interstate highway system was
funded and his direct intervention in the political process had a lot to
do with it.


Agreed.

Ike was there at the beginning and saw the project through after the war.

http://www.princeton.edu/~howarth/304.Projects/Scott/Pages/interstates.html

(snips from the story)
In reviewing the history of the interstate system, it seems that Eisenhower
was the true steamroller behind the laying of federal interstates! In 1896,
only 150,000 miles of the nation's 2.1 million miles of roads were surfaced
in any form, which was normally brick, wood, or stone. In 1919, the U.S.
Army commissioned a trans-continental motor vehicle convoy. A Lt. Dwight
David Eisenhower volunteered for the trip. Starting in Washington DC, they
arrived in San Francisco 62 days later.

Remembering his 1919 Army trip plus his reaction to how quickly German (and
later, Allied) troops could move around that country in World War 2 on the
autobahns (built in 1935), Eisenhower pressed for a national highway system.
While he wanted such a system, he didn't start it as is commonly believed.
What made the idea catch on was his ability to convince people that this was
a national, not state, issue. After his transcontinental Army trip he
thought a national network of two-lane, paved roads would be sufficient, and
in the 1930's that was probably true. That changed after he saw the speed
and efficiency offered by the four-lane German autobahns.


Montblack

Corky Scott wrote:
On 31 May 2005 05:40:01 -0700, "Sport Pilot"
wrote:


Larry Roberts was the inventor of the internet with his INTERface
Message Processor. This is where the name for the internet began.
Though the Military called it officially as the ARPANET, it has been
called the internet since its inception in 1969. What Gore sponsored
was an early version of the Web. Obviously he didn't have a clue as to
what his in this bill as he didn't enven know the proper name.


Thank you for this information "Sport Pilot" but my point wasn't who
literally invented the internet, it was that Gore has been unfairly
characterized as having claimed he had done so. In fact he never said
that, but some people love to hate him so that they continue to throw
out that quote anyway. It played well in the conservative talk shows.

Corky Scott

If Gore wasn't always trying to take credit for stuff he had little to
nothing to do with, then he wouldn't be the laughing stock of the late
night talk shows.

Tony

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

I'll assail the hell out of it. What bill did he sponsor?

But you aren't who that comment was aimed at it was the aimed at the great
unwashed masses and he thought for some reason he would get away with trying
to make those great unwashed masses beleive he created the internet.


I tossed my notes away a couple years ago but there were many time Gore
claimed he had been somewhere and done something and later it was proved
false.

There's something wrong with a person that does this. It's acceptable
in a child but not after the age of ten.

Tony