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Old December 9th 06, 11:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Blueskies
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message ...
: It gets worse than that. The gun laws in the USA, the Brady
: Instant Check, the Lautenberg amendments, the Form 4473 all
: check and ask if you are a "fugitive from justice" and if
: those pilots do not go back to Brazil and get cleared, they
: will be criminals here if the presently own, possess or buy
: any firearms.
:
:
:

And if they are ATPs, could they have their ticket yanked (no pun intended...)?





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Old December 10th 06, 01:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Macklin
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Bad character clause.



"Blueskies" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message ...
| : It gets worse than that. The gun laws in the USA, the
Brady
| : Instant Check, the Lautenberg amendments, the Form 4473
all
| : check and ask if you are a "fugitive from justice" and
if
| : those pilots do not go back to Brazil and get cleared,
they
| : will be criminals here if the presently own, possess or
buy
| : any firearms.
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| :
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| And if they are ATPs, could they have their ticket yanked
(no pun intended...)?
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Old December 10th 06, 10:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dan[_1_]
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So let's see... Find a new job and don't own a gun, or rot in a
Brazillian prison for years... Boy, that's a tough choice.

--Dan


Blueskies wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message ...
: It gets worse than that. The gun laws in the USA, the Brady
: Instant Check, the Lautenberg amendments, the Form 4473 all
: check and ask if you are a "fugitive from justice" and if
: those pilots do not go back to Brazil and get cleared, they
: will be criminals here if the presently own, possess or buy
: any firearms.
:
:
:

And if they are ATPs, could they have their ticket yanked (no pun intended...)?


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Old December 10th 06, 01:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Grumman-581[_1_]
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On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:14:35 -0600, in
, Jim Macklin wrote:
It gets worse than that. The gun laws in the USA, the Brady
Instant Check, the Lautenberg amendments, the Form 4473 all
check and ask if you are a "fugitive from justice" and if
those pilots do not go back to Brazil and get cleared, they
will be criminals here if the presently own, possess or buy
any firearms.


Yeah, but all those ****in' "laws" are unconstitutional, so it doesn't
matter...

--
"What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED do you not understand?"
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Old December 12th 06, 06:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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The fact that neither aircraft had a TCAS warning was a very significant
contributor to the accident. Given that both aircraft were virtually brand
new, this raises a lot of questions.

Mike Schumann

"Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message
ps.com...
This story just gets more and more bizarre... based on the evidence
I've seen reported so far, it certainly sounds to me like the Brazilian
air traffic control system itself is solely to blame for this accident.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html

--
Guy



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Old December 12th 06, 08:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Ash Wyllie
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Mike Schumann opined

The fact that neither aircraft had a TCAS warning was a very significant
contributor to the accident. Given that both aircraft were virtually brand
new, this raises a lot of questions.


Doesn't TCAS need surrounding transponders to be interogated by radar?

If so, then does TCAS work in an area without radar coverage?



-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?


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Old December 13th 06, 03:41 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Noel
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In article , "Ash Wyllie" wrote:

Doesn't TCAS need surrounding transponders to be interogated by radar?


No. TCAS II (aka ACAS in Europe) interrogates other aircraft.

If so, then does TCAS work in an area without radar coverage?


see above.

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Old December 13th 06, 02:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Chris
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ash Wyllie"
wrote:

Doesn't TCAS need surrounding transponders to be interogated by radar?


No. TCAS II (aka ACAS in Europe) interrogates other aircraft.


No, it is TCAS II in Europe too. ACAS is the ICAO generic name for the
system.


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Old December 14th 06, 12:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Noel
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In article , "Chris"
wrote:

No, it is TCAS II in Europe too. ACAS is the ICAO generic name for the
system.


well, that's not what some Europeans have told me...

--
Bob Noel
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Old December 13th 06, 05:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Morgans[_2_]
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"Mike Schumann" wrote in message
ink.net...
The fact that neither aircraft had a TCAS warning was a very significant
contributor to the accident. Given that both aircraft were virtually brand
new, this raises a lot of questions.


I read that the major weakness of TCAS is that they do not perform very well for
nearly head on flight paths. True? I don't know. I just read it, somewhere.
--
Jim in NC

 




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