Beware travelers with bratty kids

Duncan (NZ) wrote:

"The next time you find yourself on a plane, sitting next to someone who
cannot resist chattering to you endlessly,

I have a very effective way of getting rid off people like that; they
inevitably ask me about my disability, none of their business but in
these occasions I am only too glad to oblige: oh that? airplane
crash, no, no other survivor (entirely true, I was the only
one on board, but I skip that part for the occasion); if I do it
right, I can elaborate a little bit further, it shuts them up for the
rest of the flight (except for some mumbling to themselves)

--Sylvain

On Jan 24, 8:12 am, "Kingfish" wrote:
Can't get your kid to behave on a plane? There's always Trailways...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16773655/?GT1=8921

I always carry foam earplugs for situations like this, not to mention
over-loud PA systems, cutesy announcements, ad nauseam.

Can't get your kid to behave on a plane? There's always Trailways...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16773655/?GT1=8921

Hooray for AirTran! As the father of two, I know kids can be a
hand-full at times -- but there is no excuse for a tantrum that delays
an entire planeload of paying customers. If the airlines would all
stop putting up with this kind of crap, commercial flying would be a
bit more palatable for us all.

Now if only they would stop serving the lard-butt behemoths that
oooooze across the armrests -- or at least make them buy two seats (or
a wider First Class seat) -- I *might* consider flying commercial
again.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Can't get your kid to behave on a plane? There's always Trailways...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16773655/?GT1=8921

Hooray for AirTran! As the father of two, I know kids can be a
hand-full at times -- but there is no excuse for a tantrum that delays
an entire planeload of paying customers. If the airlines would all
stop putting up with this kind of crap, commercial flying would be a
bit more palatable for us all.

Now if only they would stop serving the lard-butt behemoths that
oooooze across the armrests -- or at least make them buy two seats (or
a wider First Class seat) -- I *might* consider flying commercial
again.

On the issue of lard butt passengers, on a flight we took over Christmas, we
saw a huge couple in line to enter the people-tube we were riding. Kelly
commented that she would hate to be assigned to sit next to them.
Fortunately, we didn't suffer that fate - the two of them were seated a
couple of rows in front of us, and across the aisle. One of them took the
aisle seat and the other took the window seat, leaving the middle seat for
ooooze room. About that time, another grossly obese individual boarded the
airplane, walked down the aisle, compared seat assignments with the already
seated large people, and had one of 'em move to the center seat, so the
third big 'un could sit on the aisle. I have not seen so much pressing of
the flesh since an election year. I was surprised the arm rest along the
aisle could take that much side load...

KB

--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Kyle Boatright writes:

On the issue of lard butt passengers, on a flight we took over Christmas, we
saw a huge couple in line to enter the people-tube we were riding. Kelly
commented that she would hate to be assigned to sit next to them.
Fortunately, we didn't suffer that fate - the two of them were seated a
couple of rows in front of us, and across the aisle. One of them took the
aisle seat and the other took the window seat, leaving the middle seat for
ooooze room. About that time, another grossly obese individual boarded the
airplane, walked down the aisle, compared seat assignments with the already
seated large people, and had one of 'em move to the center seat, so the
third big 'un could sit on the aisle. I have not seen so much pressing of
the flesh since an election year. I was surprised the arm rest along the
aisle could take that much side load...

I wonder if the pilots had to trim the aircraft to compensate for the
load.

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I wonder if the pilots had to trim the aircraft to compensate for the
load.

On an airliner? Nah.

This *is* a serious issue, however. I spent several hours on a flight
to Atlanta seated in the last row of seats (the ones where the ceiling
curves over your head) next to a guy who was the size of two of me.

He could NOT have been comfortable, having our shared armrest
surgically implanted in his side -- and I most assuredly was not
comfortable having his side flopping on top of me. In fact, I would
have to say that it was the most uncomfortable three hours of my life,
and I *paid* for it.

Nothing against fat people -- some of my best friends are overweight --
but when we are all inside the "executive mail tube", the old saying
"Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins" truly *does*
apply. And the airlines are the folks who should be addressing the
problem, rather than trying to pretend that it doesn't exist.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck writes:

Nothing against fat people -- some of my best friends are overweight --
but when we are all inside the "executive mail tube", the old saying
"Your right to swing your fist stops where my nose begins" truly *does*
apply. And the airlines are the folks who should be addressing the
problem, rather than trying to pretend that it doesn't exist.

The airlines are damned if they do and damned if they don't. No
matter what they do, someone will complain.

I think that there are more people of normal weight who are irritated
by the lardballs than there are lardballs who are irritated by
airlines making them pay for being overweight, but perhaps not. I
hear that there are more and more fat Americans; perhaps eventually
the lardballs will be the majority.

I do wonder about the effect that such things have on weight and
balance calculations. With many lardballs on board the weight goes
up.

Maybe the solution is to weigh each passenger at check-in, like the
old days.

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On 24 Jan 2007 15:18:47 -0800, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:


I wonder if the pilots had to trim the aircraft to compensate for the
load.

On an airliner? Nah.

This *is* a serious issue, however. I spent several hours on a flight
to Atlanta seated in the last row of seats (the ones where the ceiling
curves over your head) next to a guy who was the size of two of me.

I liked riding DC-9s and their climb rate, but I heard people complain
about noise and vibration. I couldn't figure out what they were
talking about on a "9". THEN I had the privilege of taking a wait
listing out of Boston for O'Hare. (I should have waited for the next
day as the stay would have been more entertaining) At any rate I had
the outside seat in the row with no window and the seat back wouldn't
move. One seat farther back and I'd have had a private room. I
thought I was on a Gray Hound buss. It sounded like one, it vibrated
like one, and it even smelled like one.

But as to the W&B. I flew out of Boston this time on a DC10. This was
in the days before they limited carryon. Mine was a shoulder bag about
the size of a duffle bag and just as heavy. It would just fit in the
overhead if you worked really hard. I don't think there was an empty
seat. Of course being packed in like sardines IIRC, we were all
overjoyed to hear the announcement "You all will be glad to hear we
are number 57 in line to depart" This was out of Logan. At any rate
I was kinda glad we had to burn off fuel for over an hour when we took
off. It seemed as if we were getting light on the gear almost half
way down the runway. We finally started to bounce along on the gear as
we kept slowly accelerating. Finally the nose came up, but I could
feel the tail kinda tuck under. Any one who has ever felt over
rotation knows that feeling. At that point I must have grabbed the
arm rests as the guy beside me asked if I was OK. I squeaked out "I'm
fine" and then checked for finger prints in the arm rests. We went
between the cranes off the end of the runway as we cleared the
buildings. I have never seen a commercial flight clear the end of the
runway lower than that except for a DC-6 a longggg time ago. I was at
the end of the runway that time and saw his tires hit the tops of the
grass and weeds. I know they have checks on the weight of passengers
and baggage but I'll swear that DC-10 was overloaded.

At any rate a couple minutes later the guy asked me something and I
replied that sometimes it's better not to know what's going on. He
didn't ask any more questions.

When we got to Cleveland I was behind schedule due to the storm we had
just flown over, around, and through had knocked out the RADAR. One
nice young woman (pretty too IIRC) offered to help by getting my
carryon down. I hollered "don't" as I reached from behind her to catch
the bag just as she pulled the bag out of the overhead. We both went
over the armrest behind me with her ending up in my lap and the bag
over her lap. I sure was glad she though it was funny. Made the whole
trip worthwhile. (We had to wait until some kind soul helped move the
bag.)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Jan 24, 8:08 am, "Kyle Boatright" wrote:
I have not seen so much pressing of
the flesh since an election year. I was surprised the arm rest along the
aisle could take that much side load...


You have no idea how much aileron trim the pilot had to use on that
flight :-)

saw a huge couple in line to enter the people-tube we were riding. Kelly
commented that she would hate to be assigned to sit next to them.
Fortunately, we didn't suffer that fate - the two of them were seated a
couple of rows in front of us, and across the aisle. One of them took the
aisle seat and the other took the window seat, leaving the middle seat for
ooooze room. About that time, another grossly obese individual boarded the
airplane, walked down the aisle, compared seat assignments with the already
seated large people, and had one of 'em move to the center seat, so the
third big 'un could sit on the aisle. I have not seen so much pressing of
the flesh since an election year. I was surprised the arm rest along the
aisle could take that much side load...

Here's a potential solution, from the folks at Airbus:

http://gridskipper.com/travel/flight...ats-169456.php

This could help GA more than anything I've ever seen!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"