Who plays golf at Nellis?

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There are officers
with no college

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I agree with everything you stated except the above (at least in Todays
military) is not possible. Bachelors degree required as a minimum.


BUFDRVR


If memory serves the Navy didn't require a bachelors a few years ago. Maybe it
has changed.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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There are officers
with no college

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I agree with everything you stated except the above (at least in Todays
military) is not possible. Bachelors degree required as a minimum.
If memory serves the Navy didn't require a bachelors a few years ago.
Maybe it
has changed.

Every service requires a Bachelors since at least 1988. There was a deal in
the Guard where you could get commissioned after your Junior year but you
had a maximum of 2 or 3 years to complete a Bachelors. Even then it's a
program that was hard to get.

"B2431" wrote in message
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There are officers
with no college

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If memory serves the Navy didn't require a bachelors a few years ago.
Maybe it
has changed.

Every service requires a Bachelors since at least 1988.
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OK, I stand corrected on that.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Consider the Class A Felony convictions of enlisted folks versus officer
folks.

The
multimillion dollar systems from aircraft to ICBMS are maintained extremely
well by the people you have insulted.

I think your reading my inputs here as an insult is telling.

Making broad statements as you would not trust anyone below E-6, GED and class
A felonies shows you are just plain predjudiced. Yes it takes a maintenance
officer to "ramrod" each flight, but that maintenance officer has to be able to
trust ALL the maintainers.

Why did I take offense? I find all bigotry offensive.

As for the class A felony thing you should know that the base commander's
office puts out a quarterly courtmartial/Article 15 list. Having seen that list
a few times I decided to make a rather unscientific study and found the per
capita courtmatial/Article 15 rate to be about the same.

Have you ever noticed the police blotters in base papers give enlisted ranks
but officers are listed as "an Air Force member" or some such? Granted the
police blotter never lists all offences, but you get the idea.

In the early 80s an enlisted member called the Eglin AFB base commander's
hotline asking why no officers were ever listed in the base paper as getting
Article 15s. He responded in the base paper that he did publish them in the
paper when they happened it had just been that no officers had received Article
15s in the recent past. He was a flat out liar. One of the 2 Article 15s given
to officers in the past quarter was a 1Lt friend of mine. Furthermore I had
seen the list for that quarter.

In short, you may not have heard of legal action taken against officers simply
because that information is covered up. I know of one captain who was allowed
to resign rather than face a courtmartial for DUI, resisting arrest, presenting
a false ID ( he had an enlisted man's) , conduct unbecoming etc("class A"
felonies). An enlisted man in a similar situation would have been raked across
the coals for exactly the same thing.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Consider the Class A Felony convictions of enlisted folks versus officer
folks.


I really don't know what the percentages are on either side, but remember; 1.)
There are 3 enlisted personel for every officer in the USAF 2.) Many of the
felonys comitted by enlisted troops are done because of immaturity, not rank.
When I was 18 between February and May I got drunk three nights a week, when
Spring rolled around maybe more, the only reason I wasn't like that from
September through December was because I played football. Now take an 18 year
old crew chief, if he conducts himself in a similar manner he's going to run
into a lot of trouble that could turn into legal action.

Bottom line, an 18 year old who enlists in the military takes on an infinite
amount more responsibility then your average 18 year old and if he/she can
handle it, he/she usually winds up being one of the most trust worthy persons
in the country.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"