OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
Yes. It is much better to allow the terrorist to take over the airplane
and
deliberately kill everybody on board while causing as much death and
destruction on the ground as possible.

Of course, they could just want to fly to Cuba and let everyone
off.

More likely they'll be coming from Cuba and want to land safely
in the US!

Paul

"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message
...

Of course, they could just want to fly to Cuba and let everyone
off.


Oh, I think those days are over.

ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote
Now the British airline pilots are considering refusingto fly if there is an
armed security guard on a flight, citing the danger of a gunshot in a
pressurized airliner.

Would you, as PIC, be comfortable flying an airplane where a passenger
who is absolutely unknown to you is armed while you yourself are
unarmed?

Michael

armed security guard on a flight, citing the danger of a gunshot in a
pressurized airliner.

Would you, as PIC, be comfortable flying an airplane where a passenger
who is absolutely unknown to you is armed while you yourself are
unarmed?


Michael has a point; are the armed security guards going to be of the quality
of mall rent-a-cops and other police academy failed wannabes?

In article ,
(StellaStar) writes:

Michael has a point; are the armed security guards going to be of the quality
of mall rent-a-cops and other police academy failed wannabes?


It doesn't matter.

Their presence makes the planning of a hijacking impractical. So long as the
impression is that they are there, unidentified, somewhere in the cabin, there
is no way to successfully plan a takeover, so there will be no attempt.

The rent-a-cop can then snooze away on the flight and we are safe by way of
deterence. The best deterrents never are activated and those used have already
failed.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Wdtabor wrote:

In article ,
(StellaStar) writes:

Michael has a point; are the armed security guards going to be of the quality
of mall rent-a-cops and other police academy failed wannabes?

It doesn't matter.

I would be more inclined to agree with you if I could forget the fact that two of
the University of Tennessee police force detectives accidentally shot themselves
(one in the foot) during my tenure there as an undergraduate. They were considered
to be better quality than rent-a-cops.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...

I would be more inclined to agree with you if I could forget the fact that two of
the University of Tennessee police force detectives accidentally shot themselves
(one in the foot) during my tenure there as an undergraduate. They were considered
to be better quality than rent-a-cops.

They were. I mean, c'mon, it's Tennessee!

In article ,
(Michael) writes:


(Wdtabor) wrote
Now the British airline pilots are considering refusingto fly if there is
an
armed security guard on a flight, citing the danger of a gunshot in a
pressurized airliner.

Would you, as PIC, be comfortable flying an airplane where a passenger
who is absolutely unknown to you is armed while you yourself are
unarmed?


I live in Virginia, I am often in the company of people I do not know who are
armed, and others are often in my company when I am armed. When I am not armed,
I find the company of my fellow honest citizens who are armed to be comforting.


I trust the honest people around me to share in our mutual defense against
those who are unlawful. To do otherwise, and fear your fellow citizens enough
to disarm them, leaves you at the mercy of those who have no regard for law.

Getting into an airplane does not change anything, I would rather the stranger
beside me be one of many on the airplane who are armed than take the chance
that only those who would do me harm are armed.

Of course, ME being armed is even better, but even then, it is better that I
not be the ONLY one armed.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote
I live in Virginia, I am often in the company of people I do not know who are
armed

And I live in Texas. When I moved to Texas, they stopped me at the
border to check for firearms. It was OK, though - I had some, so they
let me in. OK, that was a joke - but realize that it's reflective of
Texas culture, and I'm a Texan by choice. Most of the pilots at my
home airport are armed, and I feel safer because the right to carry
arms is available to the populace, not limited to a special class.

I also accept that certain environments, due to their very nature, are
too dangerous for anyone to be carrying guns. Chemical plants are a
perfect example - the risks from accidental discharge or misuse are
just too great. Even in Texas, nobody carries a gun in a chemical
plant, and that includes security. Whether a passenger airplane
constitutes such an environment is debatable - I personally don't
think it does but I'm willing to go along with the majority if it
decides otherwise. What I will not accept is the existence of a
special armed class. That way lies the social model of lords and
peasants.

There is another aspect to this - as PIC, I am responsible for the
safety of the flight. If a person I know nothing about is armed, and
I'm not, then I don't have any way of assuring that safety.
Therefore, I'm not interested in accepting the responsibility. It's
that simple.

I trust the honest people around me to share in our mutual defense against
those who are unlawful.

That's great, but we're not talking about letting ordinary citizens
board the plane armed. We're talking about making it a special
privilege, available to only a special class.

Michael

"Wdtabor" wrote:
I find the company of my fellow honest citizens who are armed to be
comforting.

I don't.

Many of my fellow honest citizens don't have sense enough to pour water
out of a boot. Anyone who can vote can carry a gun in many states:
considering the quality of elected officials, how comforting is that?

I'm a gun owner. I'm also a licensed driver. I don't expect any better
judgment from my fellow gun owners than I do from my fellow drivers.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM