Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form

wrote:

Jim Stewart wrote:

Bill Denton wrote:

Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone
running around with an untreated problem can?

Exactly. I'd prefer to fly with a pilot who
is taking Prozac than one who should be taking
it and isn't.


There is a counter argument...

Somebody who is chronically depressed and unmedicated is firstly
perhaps unlikely to be flying anyway becuase they simply don't want to.
A depressed pilot is probably less depressed when flying.
Medications for the treatment of depression can have undesirable
psychological effects for pilots. Two people died here locally in
exactly this way, pilot was on some anti-depressant, which had known
sideeffect of feelings of invincibility (of course this isn't the
technical description but you get the gist), pilot didn't tell anybody
nor disqualify himself, took one too many risks because he felt like he
could get away with it, stall-spin-splat, pilot and passenger both bit
the big one.

Sometimes the treatment can cause more problems from a safety
standpoint than the disease.

Thanks. Good point.

Bill Denton writes:

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone
running around with an untreated problem can?

There are many inconsistencies in this domain. The rules seem to date
from the 1800s.

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:47:54 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone
running around with an untreated problem can?


Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

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The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:47:54 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical
if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but
someone
running around with an untreated problem can?


Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The
FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications
then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

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World Famous Flight Instructor

Bill Denton writes:

The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...

Indeed. Two different things.

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:41:21 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...


Very well. You cannot obtain a medical if you suffer depression, whether you
are taking medication or not. It is bogus to claim, as the OP did, that you
can fly with depression as long as you are not taking any medication for it.

C J Campbell writes:

Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

What if failing your medical and losing the ability to fly causes you
to lapse into depression?

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:33:38 -0800, Mxsmanic wrote
(in article ):

C J Campbell writes:

Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications
then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

What if failing your medical and losing the ability to fly causes you
to lapse into depression?



The FAA does not care, obviously, if it causes depression. It is, in fact,
their job goal. Their motto is "We're not happy until you're not happy."

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Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell writes:

That said, you are playing with your own life and with the lives of others if
you are not medically fit to fly.

Yes, but that may not be synonymous with legally fit to fly.

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Wow, 34 thread drifts in a bit over 4 hours,,, Has to be close to a
record for this group...


If you are beating the system somehow why would you discuss it in
public? doh


denny