Coordinated turns without rudder, and autopilots

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Paul kgyy writes:

As Maxwell observes, this may just be a simulator limitation. In
actuality, a small amount of rudder should be applied when initiating
and recovering from a turn, but once in a constant bank turn, the
aircraft will normally be in coordinated flight without rudder
application.

But the autopilot has no control over the rudder, and yet the turn is
coordinated. What is it doing to make this possible?

Nothing, the turns are not perfectly coordinated, they don't have to be.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Paul kgyy writes:

As others have posted, most lightplane autopilots don't adjust the
rudder for adverse yaw when turning, so you do get a few seconds of
slightly uncoordinated flight. However at normal cruise speeds this
creates no hazard or discomfort.

So in theory I should be able to turn myself with ailerons only in the
same way, without the need to use the rudder to stay coordinated.
What's the secret? Each time I try to turn at the same rate that the
AP manages, I have to use the rudder to stay coordinated.

If flying close to stall, the autopilot should be turned off even for
straight and level flight. If the airplane is on the verge of
stalling and starts to turn because of engine p-factor or any other
reason, the autopilot will attempt to correct with aileron. This may
actually induce stall on one wing, producing sudden wing drop and a
potential spin.

I have an aversion to stalls and I usually stay well away from them.

You're an idiot. You can't stall a computer, fjukkwit.

you can't fly a computer!


Asshole.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


You're an idiot. You can't stall a computer, fjukkwit.


Oh, I don't know about that, I bet he could.

Mxsmanic wrote:

So in theory I should be able to turn myself with ailerons only in the same
way, without the need to use the rudder to stay coordinated. What's the
secret? Each time I try to turn at the same rate that the AP manages, I have
to use the rudder to stay coordinated.

That's your simulator.

Moron.

Either go out and do it, or stfu

On May 29, 2:43 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

I have an aversion to stalls and I usually stay well away from them.

Why don't you like flying real aeroplanes?
Solution
you are afraid of stalling so you'd never be able to land

george writes:

Why don't you like flying real aeroplanes?

Not having piloted a real airplane, I cannot say with certainty that I would
not like it. However, I can think of several disadvantages:

- It takes too much time to get a license.
- It costs too much to get a license.
- It's too hard to get a medical.
- Owning a real aircraft is financially unrealistic.
- Renting a real aircraft is financially unrealistic.
- Real airplanes go places, and I don't like to travel.
- Real airplanes can crash, especially small tin cans with their unreliable
components and frequently poor maintenance.
- You cannot stop a real flight if you get tired of flying.
- There is no way to control real-world weather.
- You can only fly from places you are, so you can't fly out of London for an
hour and then switch to LAX.
- The environment inside an aircraft isn't always comfortable.
- You have to worry about hypoxia at altitude.
- If the aircraft moves a lot you may become airsick.
- Real flying is limited to tiny tin cans that you can afford; transport
aircraft are out of reach unless you fly for a living.

These are just a few of the potential problems. Now, I don't know if they
would actually add up to a negative experience, but it wouldn't surprise me
given their number and magnitude.

Simulation provides many of the advantages and none of the disadvantages
(although it has some disadvantages of its own). For me it's a good
compromise. I can't speak for others. Those who dismiss it out of hand,
though, generally don't know what they are talking about.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Hey, your forgot:

- I'd have to get of my lazy ass and work for a living.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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george writes:

Why don't you like flying real aeroplanes?

Not having piloted a real airplane, I cannot say with certainty that I
would not like it.

Irrelvevanty, you wouldn';t be able.


bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:

george writes:


Why don't you like flying real aeroplanes?


Not having piloted a real airplane, I cannot say with certainty that I would
not like it. However, I can think of several disadvantages:

- It takes too much time to get a license.
Not

- It costs too much to get a license.
Little by little, Michelangelo carved David.

- It's too hard to get a medical.
Yeah, took me one painful half hour.

- Owning a real aircraft is financially unrealistic.
Don't need to own

- Renting a real aircraft is financially unrealistic.
Nope, it's expensive, but worth it.

- Real airplanes go places, and I don't like to travel.
But you're an American living in France

- Real airplanes can crash, especially small tin cans with their unreliable
components and frequently poor maintenance.
Only if the pilot does something stupid or can't handle exceptions
and doesn't keep the plane up to FAA par.

- You cannot stop a real flight if you get tired of flying.
Just like real life.

- There is no way to control real-world weather.
You can control when you fly, weird, isn't it?

- You can only fly from places you are, so you can't fly out of London for an
hour and then switch to LAX.
Yeah, that totally will keep me from flying.

- The environment inside an aircraft isn't always comfortable.
You should have seen my CFI. Big as a cow with me and he
in a 150. It was STILL a good time.

- You have to worry about hypoxia at altitude.
No, you don't.

- If the aircraft moves a lot you may become airsick.
If I breathe the air in a public place, I might get a cold.

- Real flying is limited to tiny tin cans that you can afford; transport
aircraft are out of reach unless you fly for a living.
I trust those tiny tin cans MUCH more than I trust those
big damn ATP planes.


ItalicsBoldShock THESE /I/B are your reasons for not
flying?

Don't you know that when you step out of your door in the morning,
you can be hit by one of those french drivers? Maybe you can catch
a cold. You might slip on a stone.

You lie. It's not that you don't want to fly, you're down
right frightened of it. It's not that you don't want to get
laid, girls scare you. It's not that you don't want to move
out of your mom's basement, you're afraid of living your own
life.

Wow. That's pathetic. Pathetic but totally fixable.

Get out there, do something real for a change, ****tard.

I believe in you!

Mxsmanic wrote in
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How do autopilots make coordinated turns even when they cannot control
the rudder?


They don't fjukkktard.



Just like you can't.


Bertie