U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!

Wanna trade places?

Nope, enjoy being a pilot, although the radar nav (bombardier) job is what it's
all about.

If you're asking me if I want to be a B-26 pilot circa 1943 in Europe , sure,
that's where the "action" was.

If you're asking me to choose between being a B-52 pilot circa 1999 or a B-26
pilot circa 1943, its really an unfair question. I know how much I enjoy
piloting a B-52H circa 1999, but I can only speculate about the B-26 and the
feeling of accomplishment of each sortie in 1943.

So...bottom line, we can't really trade. So what's your point?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 8/31/03 7:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Wanna trade places?

Nope, enjoy being a pilot, although the radar nav (bombardier) job is what
it's
all about.

If you're asking me if I want to be a B-26 pilot circa 1943 in Europe , sure,
that's where the "action" was.

If you're asking me to choose between being a B-52 pilot circa 1999 or a B-26
pilot circa 1943, its really an unfair question. I know how much I enjoy
piloting a B-52H circa 1999, but I can only speculate about the B-26 and the
feeling of accomplishment of each sortie in 1943.

So...bottom line, we can't really trade. So what's your point?


BUFDRVR


You answered my question quite clearly.
We would have welcomed you back then. We could never have too many good pilots
to fly tight, steady, accurate formation for good bomb patterns. I would assume
your B-52 time would make you well qualified to fly Norden runs. Besides B-26
pilots are well protected by steel armor. It was just the bombardiers that had
only Plexi for protection. One more question, You wouldn't have wanted to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message One more question, You wouldn't have wanted
to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote:

One more question, You wouldn't have wanted to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?

Ahh, the old penis envy syndrome. No wonder Kramer hates pilots
and is such a miserable, bitter, angry old egomaniac with an
inferiority complex and why he trots out "wannabee" every whipstitch
while berating anyone or everyone who "wasn't there" like him --
demoralized and demeaned while unceremoniously stuck in the
nose of a B-26 like a fish in a bowl. After all these years...you'd
think he would've gotten over it by now!

-Mike (the poor guy needs help) Marron

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "Phineas Pinkham"
Date: 9/1/03 6:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message One more question, You wouldn't have wanted
to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?



Total bull**** you horses ass. I never went to pilot training or washed out of
anything..you lying piece of crap.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

You wouldn't have wanted to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

As my first choice? No, but if not chosen to fly, it seems like the next best
thing. Even today my second choice of jobs would be as B-52 radar Nav. In fact,
I've been known to go down stairs quite often and do simulated weapons
releases. Its a lot of fun.....but not nearly as much as piloting.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Wanna trade places?

Nope, enjoy being a pilot, although the radar nav (bombardier) job is what it's
all about.

If you're asking me if I want to be a B-26 pilot circa 1943 in Europe , sure,
that's where the "action" was.

If you're asking me to choose between being a B-52 pilot circa 1999 or a B-26
pilot circa 1943, its really an unfair question. I know how much I enjoy
piloting a B-52H circa 1999, but I can only speculate about the B-26 and the
feeling of accomplishment of each sortie in 1943.

So...bottom line, we can't really trade. So what's your point?

The bottom line is that you're a punk because Art says so.

shrug Face it, B. There's no way you can measure up.


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

(ArtKramr) wrote in message ...
Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "= Vox Populi ©" Vox Populi ©"

Only meaningless junk to those who have none.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

================
Back in the early days of B-52 ARC Lite missions over Nam it took 25
missions to get an Air Medal. I had a Radar Navigator friend who was
on the Wing Bomb/Nav staff. He only had 24 missions so he volunteered
to sub for a sick RN to get his 25th mission and an air medal. The
Buff he was flying on developed some problems and the crew eventually
ejected over the Pacific. His upper torso skeleton with his dog tags
still attached washed up on the beach at the island of Yap some time
later. I have often wondered if he was awarded his Air Medal
posthumously.

Gene Myers
Old Buff driver

ubject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "= Vox Populi ©" Vox Populi ©"
Date: 9/1/03 9:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

jaybeatty wrote:
"Colin Fisher" wrote in message
...
(Douglas Berry) wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:28:32 GMT,
several witnesses claim to have seen
"John Smith"
scrawl a message on the wall:

Jessica should get a purple heart, pow
medal, and sent to a combat driving
course on how to flee like a coward
without crashing.

She wasn't driving. Based on my time as
a PFC, I'm willing to bet she was sound
asleep.

Based on the report released on how she was captured, I highly doubt
that because it was a Sunday morning and there was gunfire and RPG
rockets in the area. From what I understand, her best freind, the
only female solider to die (I know the name but don't know how to
properly spell it) was the one driving and she hit a turned over
truck.

Then again, I'd like to see how "John Smith" would be able to handle
a vehicle in a similar situation.

John Smith it seems really knows nothing of combat, based on what
he said about his time as a PFC I'm guessing that he was a dirt bag
that had a hard time doing the right thing.

Gee, and we though ALL U$ Soldiers were honorable "heroes" ....

What next Jay, no Santa Claus ...?

--
"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would
instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab
world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-
day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless
hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinable urban guerilla
war, it could only plunge that part of the world into ever
greater instability."
-George H. W. Bush Sr. 1998



--
Best post of the month.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

I wonder what the rational was for 25 missions in B-52's? Buff driver can
you clarify?

Its not platform specific, but theater and MAJCOM specific. Ten sorties for an
AM seems to be the norm in most conflicts, but CENTCOM used a "point system"
for Operation SOUTHERN WATCH where I believe you would have had to fly 15
sorties for an AM. My guess for Vietnam was that PACOM (or perhaps since B-52s
were never "chopped" to PACOM, it was SAC's rule) decided that Rolling Thunder,
Freedom Porch and other air operations south of 20 latitude needed 25 sorties
for an AM due to the relatively low risk. I don't know...Ed?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"