Bush AWOL Story - New theory comes to light

"David Hartung" wrote in message .. .
"Tempest" wrote in message
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You are aware that most everything Clarke has said has been
collaborated, right?

I am aware that there are discrepancies between Clarke's book and some of
his other actions and writings.

Which have been thoroughly explained, and completely ignored by the rightards.

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Orval
Fairbairn confessed the following:

No -- it is a much simpler answer. Since AL ANG was transitioning from
RF-84Fs to RF-4s, they would, naturally, place their most senior pilots
(Capt's, Maj's, Lt col's, etc) ahead of a lowly short timer Lt (he had
only a short remaining duty obligation) transferring in from Texas.

The pedant in me must point out, GWB did not "transfer" from the TX
ANG to the AL ANG. He merely got permission to drill in AL while
retaining his TX ANG affiliation for reporting purposes. He would have
ZERO chance of flying the RF-4 regardless of rank.

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Having said that, you are correct that a guy with very little
obligation left would NOT normally check out in the next airplane,
doing so adds another two or three years to your service obligation.

As I understand it, the RF-4 checkout program was several months long.
The AL ANG simply didn't want to use their resources on him.

Back then the B (as in Basic) course for Fighter/Attack/Recce pilots
was six months. The Tx (Transition) course for guys coming from
similar missions would run approximately three months...that's if you
attended RTU fulltime (back then that would have been with the 363d
TRW at Shaw AFB). Local checkouts, part-time would take longer.

But the proper conclusion is not that the AL ANG didn't want to use
their resources (RTU slots) on GWB, but rather GWB had ZERO reason to
expect/anticipate flying the RF-4. It's not applicable in his case.

Juvat

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Orval
Fairbairn confessed the following:

No -- it is a much simpler answer. Since AL ANG was transitioning from
RF-84Fs to RF-4s, they would, naturally, place their most senior pilots
(Capt's, Maj's, Lt col's, etc) ahead of a lowly short timer Lt (he had
only a short remaining duty obligation) transferring in from Texas.

The pedant in me must point out, GWB did not "transfer" from the TX
ANG to the AL ANG. He merely got permission to drill in AL while
retaining his TX ANG affiliation for reporting purposes.

He didn't get permission.

His request was denied.

He left TX anyway.

He would have
ZERO chance of flying the RF-4 regardless of rank.

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Having said that, you are correct that a guy with very little
obligation left would NOT normally check out in the next airplane,
doing so adds another two or three years to your service obligation.

As I understand it, the RF-4 checkout program was several months long.
The AL ANG simply didn't want to use their resources on him.

Back then the B (as in Basic) course for Fighter/Attack/Recce pilots
was six months. The Tx (Transition) course for guys coming from
similar missions would run approximately three months...that's if you
attended RTU fulltime (back then that would have been with the 363d
TRW at Shaw AFB). Local checkouts, part-time would take longer.

But the proper conclusion is not that the AL ANG didn't want to use
their resources (RTU slots) on GWB, but rather GWB had ZERO reason to
expect/anticipate flying the RF-4. It's not applicable in his case.

Juvat

--
"The tyranny of a prince is not so dangerous to the public welfare as
the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."
- Baron de Montesquieu, 1748

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:

He didn't get permission.

OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.

His request was denied.

But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.

He left TX anyway.

True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Juvat

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:



He didn't get permission.



OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.



His request was denied.



But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.



He left TX anyway.



True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...


This is one of the points that passes belief. I knew a lot of NG people
at that time who simply travelled back to wherever to drill. Sometimes
across most of the country.

josh halpern

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:

He didn't get permission.

OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.

He received "permission" after the fact.

The document is posted at www.awolbush.com, it's dated after he was told
to reappear in Texas.

His request was denied.

But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.

See above.

He left TX anyway.

True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Not my intention.

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Juvat

--
"The tyranny of a prince is not so dangerous to the public welfare as
the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."
- Baron de Montesquieu, 1748

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:39:58 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
wrote:

by James Ridgeway
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431401040
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431402242

Fairly interesting reading about Bush and what was going on in the
guard back then...

"Buzzer" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:39:58 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
wrote:

by James Ridgeway
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week:


http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431401040

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431402242

Fairly interesting reading about Bush and what was going on in the
guard back then...

The story is a lie, the Texas ANG was conventional weapons only.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:05:28 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Buzzer" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:39:58 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
wrote:

by James Ridgeway
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week:


http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431401040

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431402242

Fairly interesting reading about Bush and what was going on in the
guard back then...

The story is a lie, the Texas ANG was conventional weapons only.

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Buzzer
confessed the following:

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

Nah, an over-statement of fact. Yeah the HRP applied to all ANG units
[if they had a nuclear mission]. If you specify particular units you
give away some intel (like who has nukes or who doesn't). Same thing
with later PRP, if your unit had a nuclear mission then you were
screened, but if you only did conventional you were not on PRP, but
PRP applied to the ENTIRE USAF. There is no lie.

Juvat