report runway incursion non-towered airport?

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Michael 182 wrote:

It really is irrelevant whether the OP and/or the pilot of the Citation
were on the correct frequency. The OP could have been a nordo Cub.

The claim that the Citation pilot allegedly entered the runway in front of
an aircraft on short final is the issue being discussed here.

--
Peter

That's correct, Peter.

As I was on 1/4 to
1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the
takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a 360,
landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee.

Should I report this to the FAA?

No.

It might be worth a NASA report, but AFAICS no FAA regs were broken, and
"careless and reckless" doesn't seem to apply. Half mile final in a
cherokee (for example) is thirty seconds to touchdown. In that thirty
seconds the citation would be in the air and not a factor. It is not a
requirement to talk on the radio at an untowered field (and it shouldn't
be).

It is possible he didn't see you, had the wrong frequency, your radios
were turned down, you misjudged distance, any number of things. You
might (since you got the tail number) send the owner a note expressing
your concern, in case it's an "oops" on his part that he didn't realize.
It can be anonymous if you like - the important thing is that he get
the message that (maybe) he cut it too close.

But in this circumstance I don't see what calling the FAA out on him
would accomplish.

Jose
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In a previous article, Jose said:
"careless and reckless" doesn't seem to apply. Half mile final in a
cherokee (for example) is thirty seconds to touchdown. In that thirty
seconds the citation would be in the air and not a factor. It is not a

When I was student pilot I was practicing touch and goes solo at a local
uncontrolled airport. I was in the middle of announcing my turn to final
when a twin took the runway, so I ammended my call to say I was going to
do a right 270 for spacing. The pilot in the twin said "no, continue on
final, I'll be out of here in no time", so I did, and he was right.

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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
I was in the middle of announcing my turn to final
when a twin took the runway, so I ammended my call to say I was going to
do a right 270 for spacing. The pilot in the twin said "no, continue on
final, I'll be out of here in no time", so I did, and he was right.

Did the pilot take the runway unannounced?

In a previous article, "Joe Johnson" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
I was in the middle of announcing my turn to final
when a twin took the runway, so I ammended my call to say I was going to
do a right 270 for spacing. The pilot in the twin said "no, continue on
final, I'll be out of here in no time", so I did, and he was right.

Did the pilot take the runway unannounced?

I don't remember.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
`I was all fired up to write a big rant, but instead found apathy to be a
more worthwhile solution.' --- Ashley Penney

"Joe Johnson" wrote in message
. com...

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
I was in the middle of announcing my turn to final
when a twin took the runway, so I ammended my call to say I was going to
do a right 270 for spacing. The pilot in the twin said "no, continue on
final, I'll be out of here in no time", so I did, and he was right.

Did the pilot take the runway unannounced?


Does it make a difference?

"Half mile final in a Cherokee (for example) is thirty seconds to touchdown.
In that thirty seconds the citation would be in the air and not a factor."

Assuming that the Citation didn't have to abort...



"Jose" wrote in message
om...
As I was on 1/4 to
1/2 mile final, the Citation suddenly took the runway and started the
takeoff roll; nary a radio call was heard. Prepared for this, I did a
360,
landed, and got the tail number from an airport employee.

Should I report this to the FAA?

No.

It might be worth a NASA report, but AFAICS no FAA regs were broken, and
"careless and reckless" doesn't seem to apply. Half mile final in a
cherokee (for example) is thirty seconds to touchdown. In that thirty
seconds the citation would be in the air and not a factor. It is not a
requirement to talk on the radio at an untowered field (and it shouldn't
be).

It is possible he didn't see you, had the wrong frequency, your radios
were turned down, you misjudged distance, any number of things. You
might (since you got the tail number) send the owner a note expressing
your concern, in case it's an "oops" on his part that he didn't realize.
It can be anonymous if you like - the important thing is that he get
the message that (maybe) he cut it too close.

But in this circumstance I don't see what calling the FAA out on him
would accomplish.

Jose
--
Nothing is more powerful than a commercial interest.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Ya did good, Joe - nice job of heads up flying....

Now file it away in your school of hard knocks folder, and move on...
Life is too short to worry about little things like that... If you
confront the pilot he will rightously say he was using his radio and
you need to get yours fixed... At that point it is a school yard
scuffle on the level of, "Did so!" "Did not!"...

Running to the FAA only brings you to their attention and gives them
another incident to use in their campaign to eradicate general
aviation... How would you like for your picture to be posted in the
coffee room at the FSDO for every ramp inspector to memorize? Remember
the old chinese adage, "The nail that sticks up, gets hammered down."

cheers ... denny

Denny wrote:

Remember the old chinese adage, "The nail that sticks up, gets
hammered down."

Hmmm.... Given China's history of controlling its people, might there be a
better adage to use?

--
Peter













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If it were me I'd would just chalk it up to experience. You were
in the pattern observing the runway the whole time and did the
appropriate "go-around" when necessary. That is exactly what you
train to do all the time as a student pilot... for just such situations.

Now if this particular pilot (or airplane) were known for this
sort of thing then I'd say go for it. I've has a couple of similar
situations occur at an uncontrolled airport myself but that's
what staying visual and avoidance is all about.

I may be in the minority but I'd say use it as a learning experience.
If you fly enough hours something similar may (will?) happen to you
(and hopefully nothing MORE serious). Just my $.02