U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!

"B2431" wrote

Amazing, you have just confessed to a felony.

Talking to drug dealers is a felony now?

No, but setting someone up for a murder is.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


My son came home complaining about a bully in school. I told him
he'd have to fight him or solve the problem. "How do I solve the
problem?" He asked. Easy, give the drug dealer on the corner some
bad info, like how the bully is selling drugs on his turf. Poof--He was
dead within the week, and the problem went away. Chicago is now
a better place.

Now that's how to handle courage. The silent types are what
will kill you, not the breast beaters.

JB

Amazing, you have just confessed to a felony.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

(ArtKramr) wrote in message ...
Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "= Vox Populi ©" Vox Populi ©"

Only meaningless junk to those who have none.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

================
Back in the early days of B-52 ARC Lite missions over Nam it took 25
missions to get an Air Medal. I had a Radar Navigator friend who was
on the Wing Bomb/Nav staff. He only had 24 missions so he volunteered
to sub for a sick RN to get his 25th mission and an air medal. The
Buff he was flying on developed some problems and the crew eventually
ejected over the Pacific. His upper torso skeleton with his dog tags
still attached washed up on the beach at the island of Yap some time
later. I have often wondered if he was awarded his Air Medal
posthumously.

Gene Myers
Old Buff driver

"ArtKramr" wrote in message One more question, You wouldn't have wanted
to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote:

One more question, You wouldn't have wanted to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?

Ahh, the old penis envy syndrome. No wonder Kramer hates pilots
and is such a miserable, bitter, angry old egomaniac with an
inferiority complex and why he trots out "wannabee" every whipstitch
while berating anyone or everyone who "wasn't there" like him --
demoralized and demeaned while unceremoniously stuck in the
nose of a B-26 like a fish in a bowl. After all these years...you'd
think he would've gotten over it by now!

-Mike (the poor guy needs help) Marron

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "Phineas Pinkham"
Date: 9/1/03 6:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message One more question, You wouldn't have wanted
to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?



Total bull**** you horses ass. I never went to pilot training or washed out of
anything..you lying piece of crap.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Sad story. I hope he got his well deserved Air Medal. We only needed 5 missions
for an Air Medal. We had one guy shot down on his 5th mission but he got his
AM. I wonder what the rational was for 25 missions in B-52's? Buff driver can
you clarify?
Arthur Kramer

It wasn't prejudice against B-52s. It was a simple reflection of
threat levels. In SEA, the criteria was 10 mission over North Vietnam,
20 missions "in-country" (South VN, Laos, Cambodia) and 25
"combat-support" missions--typically in-country air-lift, but also
country transit missions like Arc Light.

If you check the combat losses for B-52s, they were very low-threat
until Linebacker. The only combat losses experienced for most of the
Arc Light campaigns were mid-airs between B-52s (arguably a result of
poor judgement).

The heavies really earned their Air Medals when Linebacker II started,
and then got credit for one AM for every ten sorties. They also earned
a lot of DFC's and Silver Stars during those eleven days of Christmas.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

Subject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 9/1/03 8:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Sad story. I hope he got his well deserved Air Medal. We only needed 5
missions
for an Air Medal. We had one guy shot down on his 5th mission but he got his
AM. I wonder what the rational was for 25 missions in B-52's? Buff driver
can
you clarify?
Arthur Kramer

It wasn't prejudice against B-52s. It was a simple reflection of
threat levels. In SEA, the criteria was 10 mission over North Vietnam,
20 missions "in-country" (South VN, Laos, Cambodia) and 25
"combat-support" missions--typically in-country air-lift, but also
country transit missions like Arc Light.

If you check the combat losses for B-52s, they were very low-threat
until Linebacker. The only combat losses experienced for most of the
Arc Light campaigns were mid-airs between B-52s (arguably a result of
poor judgement).

The heavies really earned their Air Medals when Linebacker II started,
and then got credit for one AM for every ten sorties. They also earned
a lot of DFC's and Silver Stars during those eleven days of Christmas.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038


Thanks Ed that clarifies it. Threat level was the determining factor. Makes
some sense now. When I first heard 25 missions for one Air Medal it boggled the
mind. BTW, how many missions for an Air Medal in fighters? I figure you should
have 20 Air Medals by wars end.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ubject: U$ Military Medals meaningless junk ...!
From: "= Vox Populi ©" Vox Populi ©"
Date: 9/1/03 9:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

jaybeatty wrote:
"Colin Fisher" wrote in message
...
(Douglas Berry) wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:28:32 GMT,
several witnesses claim to have seen
"John Smith"
scrawl a message on the wall:

Jessica should get a purple heart, pow
medal, and sent to a combat driving
course on how to flee like a coward
without crashing.

She wasn't driving. Based on my time as
a PFC, I'm willing to bet she was sound
asleep.

Based on the report released on how she was captured, I highly doubt
that because it was a Sunday morning and there was gunfire and RPG
rockets in the area. From what I understand, her best freind, the
only female solider to die (I know the name but don't know how to
properly spell it) was the one driving and she hit a turned over
truck.

Then again, I'd like to see how "John Smith" would be able to handle
a vehicle in a similar situation.

John Smith it seems really knows nothing of combat, based on what
he said about his time as a PFC I'm guessing that he was a dirt bag
that had a hard time doing the right thing.

Gee, and we though ALL U$ Soldiers were honorable "heroes" ....

What next Jay, no Santa Claus ...?

--
"We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would
instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab
world against us and make a broken tyrant into a latter-
day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless
hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinable urban guerilla
war, it could only plunge that part of the world into ever
greater instability."
-George H. W. Bush Sr. 1998



--
Best post of the month.
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message


"ArtKramr" wrote in message

One more question, You wouldn't have wanted
to be a
Bombardier back then would you?.
(grin).

Arthur Kramer

It is our understanding that "nobody" WANTED to be a bombardier.
They were dragooned from the pilot wannabes who tested low at the
Classification Center or washed out of Pilot Training.
Isn't that what you posted previously?
It was either that or the dreaded Infantry?



Total bull**** you horses ass. I never went to pilot training or washed
out of
anything..you lying piece of crap.

Arthur Kramer

No one said YOU did, old chap! Went to Pilot Training or washed out, that
is.
We just remember you saying that the ones who couldn't attain high enough
Test Scores at the Classification Centre to be sent to Pilot Training were
sent to Bombardier Training or the Infantry! Believe you said San Antonio or
Santa Ana were the Class. Centres, know there ws one at Nashville, also.
Does your response mean you enlisted as an Aviation Cadet for the express
purpose of becoming a Bomb Aimer?

(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Wanna trade places?

Nope, enjoy being a pilot, although the radar nav (bombardier) job is what it's
all about.

If you're asking me if I want to be a B-26 pilot circa 1943 in Europe , sure,
that's where the "action" was.

If you're asking me to choose between being a B-52 pilot circa 1999 or a B-26
pilot circa 1943, its really an unfair question. I know how much I enjoy
piloting a B-52H circa 1999, but I can only speculate about the B-26 and the
feeling of accomplishment of each sortie in 1943.

So...bottom line, we can't really trade. So what's your point?

The bottom line is that you're a punk because Art says so.

shrug Face it, B. There's no way you can measure up.


Billy

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