Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"

"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
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"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
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"Oelewapper" wrote in message
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Dear allies, welcome to the age of digital fascism... :

This is not "fascism", unless you're one of those morons who thinks
dealing
with the DMV and getting fingerprinted for a driver's license is
"fascism".
When you lace your writing with such stupid hyperbole, you've lost your
credibility.

Please note that fingerprinting is not nearly as common in, for example,
the
UK, as in the USA.
Here, you have to be suspected of a crime to be foingerprinted, and if you
are innocent, those prints are destroyed.

You're also mistaken if you think this will be limited to the US.
Wealthy
democracies will all be implementing these very same procedures. If you
doubt me, wait and see what happens after the next round of terrorist
attacks.

We have had many, many terrorist attacks in the UK (many financed by the
USA)

Name one terrorist attack in the UK financed by the USA. Stuff that happened
200 years ago doesn't count.

I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't fund
IRA terrorists, Marie, unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that we
don't know about. To say the USA "financed" the IRA is therefore very
disengenuous of you. What happened in the 1970s and 1980s was a group of
private stoopid Irish-American citizens (not the American government) gave
money to the IRA. Victims of IRA violence should sue in US courts the morons
who did this. I can only wonder why this hasn't happened. Outside of
"Southie" (a certain part of Boston), such a trial would be a slam-dunk for
the UK plaintiffs. I certainly think families of victims of the IRA deserve
all the money they can get.

and have never founnd this necessary or useful. I am 67 and have never
had my finger prints taken.
If the present government were to introduce it, then, in spite of being a
life long member opf the Labour party, at elections I would vote against
them. It matters that much.

So, I doubt you. Other countries are not so

I respect your opinion about fingerprinting, Marie. I truly do. As a
life-long member of the Labour Party, I'm sure you won't be voting for the
Tories. So when UK customs and integration begins fingerprinting inbound
visitors to the UK, who will you vote for?

Greg Morrow wrote:
I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't fund
IRA terrorists, Marie, unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that we
don't know about.

The USA is as guilty with regards to the IRA as the Taliban was with Al Queda:
they not only tolerated their presence, not only made no effort to stop them,
but also morally supported them. "freedom fighters".

When the IRA bombed the HSBC headquarters in London, did the USA act to freeze
the funds of known IRA supporters ? NOP.

JF Mezei wrote in message
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Greg Morrow wrote:

Greg didn't write this, JF. I did. Learn how to operate a newsreader
properly. It's not difficult.

I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't
fund
IRA terrorists, Marie, unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that
we
don't know about.

The USA is as guilty with regards to the IRA as the Taliban was with Al
Queda:

I've never funded the IRA, JF. My tax dollars didn't pay for the brutal
murder of British civilians. A small group of Irish-American assholes in
Boston gave money to the IRA. And they weren't the only source of IRA funds.
Besides local sources in Northern Ireland, the IRA also liked to pal around
with certain Middle Eastern groups. You did know that, right?

they not only tolerated their presence, not only made no effort to stop
them,
but also morally supported them. "freedom fighters".

I'm not old enough to remember the complete history of the IRA, JF. Perhaps
you are. I don't remember any "moral support" from the US government for the
IRA. Did the British government contact the FBI to track these Boston
assholes down, and if so, when do you think the families of the victims of
IRA terrorism will sue them? If I was to serve on such a jury I would
certainly find for the plaintiffs. As would just about any American outside
of certain Boston neighborhoods.

"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
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Name one terrorist attack in the UK financed by the USA. Stuff that
happened
200 years ago doesn't count.

I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't fund
IRA terrorists, Marie,

I did not say the US givernment had financed the IRA. I may suspect that
iut did, but I have no proof, so I would not write that.

unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that we
don't know about.

Possible.

To say the USA "financed" the IRA is therefore very
disengenuous of you.

Not at all.

What happened in the 1970s and 1980s was a group of
private stoopid Irish-American citizens (not the American government) gave
money to the IRA. Victims of IRA violence should sue in US courts the
morons
who did this. I can only wonder why this hasn't happened.

We are not so litigious as you.


I respect your opinion about fingerprinting, Marie. I truly do. As a
life-long member of the Labour Party, I'm sure you won't be voting for the
Tories. So when UK customs and integration begins fingerprinting inbound
visitors to the UK, who will you vote for?

Probably the Liberal Democrats, possibly the Greens. I would study their
manifestos and decide, as any sensible person should.
The Labour party of today is not the one I joined.


Marie

"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
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"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
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Name one terrorist attack in the UK financed by the USA. Stuff that
happened
200 years ago doesn't count.

I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't
fund
IRA terrorists, Marie,

I did not say the US givernment had financed the IRA. I may suspect that
iut did, but I have no proof, so I would not write that.

You sure did imply that, Marie. I think it's telling that you snipped out
what you now deny saying: "We have had many, many terrorist attacks in the
UK (many financed by the USA)".

unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that we
don't know about.

Possible.

Only if you're paranoid or hate the US so much that you'll believe any
stupid conspiracy tale as long as it's hateful.

To say the USA "financed" the IRA is therefore very
disengenuous of you.

Not at all.

Yes, Marie. Your statement is very disengenuous. It's also quite hateful of
you.

What happened in the 1970s and 1980s was a group of
private stoopid Irish-American citizens (not the American government)
gave
money to the IRA. Victims of IRA violence should sue in US courts the
morons
who did this. I can only wonder why this hasn't happened.

We are not so litigious as you.

This is hardly litigious. This is about right and wrong. Suing these people
would greatly help the families of the victims and teach the perps a lesson.

I respect your opinion about fingerprinting, Marie. I truly do. As a
life-long member of the Labour Party, I'm sure you won't be voting for
the
Tories. So when UK customs and integration begins fingerprinting inbound
visitors to the UK, who will you vote for?

Probably the Liberal Democrats, possibly the Greens. I would study their
manifestos and decide, as any sensible person should.
The Labour party of today is not the one I joined.

Quantum Foam Guy wrote:

I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't fund
IRA terrorists, Marie, unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that we
don't know about. To say the USA "financed" the IRA is therefore very
disengenuous of you. What happened in the 1970s and 1980s was a group of
private stoopid Irish-American citizens (not the American government) gave
money to the IRA.


Agree ... US-financed =/= American-financed.

A good point. I hope that you made that point a year ago, too,
distinguishing
German and French citizens and private enterprises from their governments.

gld

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:55:44 -0600, "Quantum Foam Guy"
wrote:

"Oelewapper" wrote in message
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Dear allies, welcome to the age of digital fascism... :

This is not "fascism", unless you're one of those morons who thinks dealing
with the DMV and getting fingerprinted for a driver's license is "fascism".

Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.



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"AJC" wrote in message
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Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.


So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints? Passports, DLs, and
every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for terrorists.

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"Brian" writes:

"AJC" wrote in message
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Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.


So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints? Passports, DLs, and
every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for terrorists.

Fingerprints aren't reliable, either. It seems that a number of agents
of the former Iraqi regime, and Al-Queda agents as well, have been
found travelling under Kuwaiti papers, with the appropriate
fingerprints on file. It seems that when Iraq took Kuwait in 1990,
Saddam's intel folks took the opportunity to plant some sleeper IDs,
and they've been renting them out.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:04:43 -0500, "Brian"
wrote:


"AJC" wrote in message
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Having finger-prints taken for a driving licence? Maybe in Cuba, the
former DDR, or some other 'big brother' regime, but certainly not in
any free country. Finger-printing is for criminals.


So how can we identify a person other than fingerprints? Passports, DLs, and
every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for terrorists.

You could always wait for the biometric passports to arrive. The
reason the fingerprinting is being extended is that thebiometric
passports mandated by the US congress are running a little late (for
example the UK expects to have them available frommid-2005).

Oh, and just curious, but what's stopping the terrorists using
Canadian or US passports?

I'm just glad I get an exemption from the process thanks to a nice
shiny government visa, because otherwise I would *ot* come to the US
again as I object to being fingerprinted without even being accused of
a crime...or indeed of a crime even haivng been committed I could be
accused of.

---
Peter Kemp

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