Which post-WW2 combat aircraft have not been used in combat?

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,

With the "TU-26" this is the TU-22M BACKFIRE. The Backfire was used for
bombing raids in Afghanistan. During the run up to the Soviet withdrawal the
Backfires were heavily employed. The TU-16 BADGER was also used during
Afghainistan. With the TU-20 (VVS designation) you mean the TU-95 BEAR. As
far as I remember the BEAR has not been used in combat operations during
Soviet involvement in Afghanistan as a bomb-truck.

TJ

I don't believe the AV-8A Harrier ever saw combat with the Marines. I
don't
believe they were at Grenada or Lebanon). Of course the British versions
did
as did the AV-8B's. The difference between the AV-8A and the B are so
great
that the B has to be considered a new aircraft. Kinda like the old and new
F/A-18's.

But it (Harrier GR3 - which is the same as the AV8A) most certainly saw
combat with the RAF in Falklands

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:09:33 +0100, "Nick Pedley"
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But it does hint that the Victor may have carried out a bombing raid there!
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Borneo/air-war.html


I can remember reading a similar account in a mag ages ago. To be on the
wrong side of 35 x 1000 pounders would definitely be a life changing event.



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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:35:09 GMT, Mike Marron
wrote:

(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47,
F-84F,
Used by French Air Force during Suez crisis
F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22,
Used by Libya ; one shutdown by French Air Force over Chad
Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,
McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message
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"Alex A" a écrit dans le message de news:
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Sukhoi Su-15


1983, KAL 007 airliner

Tupolov Tu-22

Heh, a Libyan Backfire tried to attack a french airfield in Libya in 1986.
First attack put one bomb on the runway, second attack put 2 Crotale SAM
into the Backfire...

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You are thinking of the TU-22 BLINDER. The missiles used were French
operated I-HAWKs. A Blinder was also reported shot down by a Chad operated
SA-6 system captured from the Libyans. The Backfire has yet to be exported
(India pending lease).

TJ

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My guess is that the only British type to see no combat is the
Lightning -

Hi

You can add the Supermarine Swift and Gloster Javelin to that list.


Its already been mentioned that the Javelin saw service in Malaya
operating from RAF Butterworth

Keith

Keith, did it actually shoot, or at least get shot at? There were one
or two US type aircraft that made it to emergency areas, such as
Lebanon and Quemoy, but never apparently engaged in combat--is that
the case with the javelin in Malaya, or did it perform CAS? I can't
seem to find any evidence either way.


The Javelins of 60 and 64 squadron flew low level patrols along
the Indonesian border and one reportedly intercepted an Indonesian
Hercules dropping paratroops on the Malaysian side of the border
but was not permitted to shoot it down. They also provided top
cover for the Hunters whch were flying the ground attack missions.

I have no information one way or the other on the volume of
ground fire directed at them but I dont believe any fighters were
encountered.

Keith

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:52:44 +0100, "TJ"
wrote:


"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message
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"Alex A" a écrit dans le message de news:
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Sukhoi Su-15


1983, KAL 007 airliner

Tupolov Tu-22

Heh, a Libyan Backfire tried to attack a french airfield in Libya in 1986.
First attack put one bomb on the runway, second attack put 2 Crotale SAM
into the Backfire...

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You are thinking of the TU-22 BLINDER. The missiles used were French
operated I-HAWKs. A Blinder was also reported shot down by a Chad operated
SA-6 system captured from the Libyans. The Backfire has yet to be exported
(India pending lease).
I confirm : shutdown by HAWK from 402° French Air-Defence Regiment

TJ

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My guess is that the only British type to see no combat is the
Lightning -

Hi

You can add the Supermarine Swift and Gloster Javelin to that list.


Its already been mentioned that the Javelin saw service in Malaya
operating from RAF Butterworth

Keith

Keith, did it actually shoot, or at least get shot at? There were one
or two US type aircraft that made it to emergency areas, such as
Lebanon and Quemoy, but never apparently engaged in combat--is that
the case with the javelin in Malaya, or did it perform CAS? I can't
seem to find any evidence either way.


The Javelins of 60 and 64 squadron flew low level patrols along
the Indonesian border and one reportedly intercepted an Indonesian
Hercules dropping paratroops on the Malaysian side of the border
but was not permitted to shoot it down. They also provided top
cover for the Hunters whch were flying the ground attack missions.

I have no information one way or the other on the volume of
ground fire directed at them but I dont believe any fighters were
encountered.

OK. All I found was mention of them using afterburners in low-level
passes to scare the bad guys below; I guess if they were getting shot
at when that occured you could chalk it up to "combat", but otherwise
it falls more into the same category as when the Dutch used those
F-104's to pull the same trick against Mollucan (sp?)
seperateists/terrorists holding those folks hostage back in the late
seventies (IIRC).

Brooks


Keith

Wow, you guys came up with a lot of things I never knew or had
forgotten. Great responses. If we open the criteria to "Combat
aircraft that have not seen combat - in any configuration, with combat
being defined as projecting force to affect the outcome of some
conflict", then there aren't very many that didn't get a chance to do
what they were built for - and their crews trained for.

A bit sobering, actually.

And recce is still a bit squishy - does the EP-3 "victory" over the
F-8 (I think that is what it was) count as "combat"? That sure would
surprise a lot of people!

Just one question:

What is a "Squark"?

Kevin Brooks wrote:

Guy Alcala wrote in message ...

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Dassault Ouragen,

Israel (56, 67 and WoA) and India (1965 for sure).

I think it may also have seen use by El Salvadore?

The Football War in 1969? The Ouragans were received too late for that. It was fought by Corsairs and Mustangs.

Guy